User talk:Khoikhoi/Archive 24

Block

I'm still curious why you decided that I deserved a block when I made three edits a while back at the list of best-selling video games article because I edit warred often and have violated 3RR in the past, but did not find it fit to block InShaneee for the same thing considering he edit wars often and violated 3RR in the past.

Please respond, thank you. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

But you didn't block me for that. You blocked me for gaming the system - if you had indeed blocked me for making four reverts, you would have simply blocked me for making four reverts. YOu may not believe that what I did was 3RR, gaming the system or not gaming the system, but I was not blocked for that. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I seem to be confused - InShaneee made as many reverts in an edit war as he possibly could without it being a clear violation of 3RR, and then reported someone else for violating 3RR. I do believe that that would be gaming the system, especially considering the user has, on many different occasions, participated in edit wars where he did as many reverts as he could do. Am I to assume that those actions are appropriate? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The fact that he has not been blocked for 3RR does not mean that he has not violated 3RR. Besides the fact that edit warring and just barely not crossing the "definite 3RR violation" line, and reporting people for 3RR when you are edit warring is a blockable offense, and besides the fact that you don't have to break a bigger rule in 3RR to be blocked if you constantly violate a lower rule. But let's get to the point. Am I to assume that if I show you a violation by InShaneee of the 3RR rule - and since you don't think that edit warring is quite so serious even though he edit wars constantly which is disruptive which is a blockable offense, I'll only consider the time he made four reverts. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[1] A clear violation of 3RR. Even though it is not necessary to show that he has violated 3RR, since edit warring is bad and he has done it many other times. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It mentions user pages only. And regardless, that only for maintaining their page. You can't remove warnings from your user talk page. Why is it that ignoring a user and assuming that the user is acting in bad faith NOT disruptive to the Wikipedia process, especially considering the sole purpose of the discussion is for the sake of working something out on an article?

By the way - are you trying to make it seem like you're trying to find any good reason to not block him? Because you're doing a Helluva job. Explain to me why 3RR - which says edit warring is a blockable offense - is wrong because you decided that InShaneee did nothing wrong (or at the very least, his status protects him). Edit warring is as much a part of 3RR as making four reverts is. four reverts is not some arbitrary number - it's to set the "definitely do not pass this limit" limit. Making three reverts is still disruptive, and for a user who has edit warred as much as InShaneee has, he most certainly does not deserve a walk for edit warring - especially when the user is edit warring to keep his RfC closed. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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[5] - note how he blocked me for reverting an edit on my user talk page and called it trolling. That more or less revokes his right to revert legitimate edits from his user talk page. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

And I need to provide a second RECENT edit war to make a block valid? Why is proving that he has a history of edit warring and proving that he still eidt wars not enough? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That would be great, but the biggest worry about your actions was that you didn't even so much as put a warning on his user talk page (which is long overdue), even though you know that he did do an edit war. And the fact that he was nominated for - I assume - having a great understanding of Wikipedia and its policies worries me that he edit wars even though 3RR says it's bad (a fact that is unknown to many users, but should not be so for administrators). He should be held to a higher standard than a regular user, but doesn't seem to be. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Personal Attack and Uncivility of user Anonimu

In the Communist Romania article User Anonimu after reverting the article to fit his POV added in Romanian a message for other users:

"luati'mi pula la frecat"

which means "Take my cock out and rub it".

This is not the first time Anonimu ressorts to personal attacks, he did in the past on the discussion page of the Romania article, archive 4, "the deleted fragment" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Romania/Archive_4#The_deleted_fragment) when again in Romanian said:

"o sa bag toti mafiotii ca tine din tara care au furat din averea poporului roman asta in puscarie."

whcih means: "I will put in prison all mobsters like you [refering to another user] who stole from the wealth of the Romanian people"

I am not very familiar with Wikipedia's rules but this strikes me as a certain violation.

reply

thanx for the recommendation I went through the tutorial, however if I get it right I can just write anything without giving any scientific or other documentation? Will this not lead to problems if I suddently started writing things that were inaccurate but difficult to verify or prove wrong? thanx again --Alexander den store 12:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you keep an eye out?

Hi, sorry to bug you about this, but Hagop Kazazian Pasha will be on the next DYK -- hence be on the main page. Can you keep an eye out for vandalism, etc that may occur? Thx! --Free smyrnan 16:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Agop Paşa did his turn and all was fine. :-) --Free smyrnan 05:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, if at all possible I'll try not to make it coincide with going out to listen to Arto Tuncboyaciyan like it happened with Agop Paşa! :-) --Free smyrnan 05:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

hi,
Kailar,Ottoman Empirearticle have been deleted.why?--3210 18:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Just being nice :) I wasn't sure who he was actually.. Baristarim 19:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, no problems. Baristarim 23:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I just was your reply.. Ok then, I didn't know :) As for my post below, well it's ok now I suppose... Baristarim 03:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Your revert on Iran

I moved the Human Rights section near to Government and politics section in the Iran article, just like most country artilces (e.g. Egypt, Cuba). You then reverted my edits [6] with the reason WP:MOS. Please explain...Jidan 19:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Baristarim

Baristarim is claiming that only book sources with page numbers can be used as sources, but not links to summaries of books on sites. He has started an edit war on the Ottoman architecture page just so he can push his POV. I added two book sources and he claims that I cannot use them. Can he dictate what can and cannot be used? He claims that these cannot be used as sources: [7][8]. These are two summaries of the books, which means that the information given about those books is what is in those books. I should not have to buy a book and spend my money just so I can use these as sources, and that is what Baristarim is claiming!Azerbaijani 19:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

One of them is from a forum, the other one a book description. I provided six other refs, rewrote the intro with books on Ottoman architecture visible via Google Books. I am only reverting because he is placing Persian in front of anything else based on a post on a forum and a book summary, in contradiction with the content of the six other books cited: Ottoman architecture was a mix of Byzantine and Islamic Mamluk influence after 1453, even though before that it was based on Seljuk and Anatolian Byzantine architecture. What about 1453-1922 compared to 1299-1453? Most of the Ottoman masterpieces were built after the 16th century. Baristarim 19:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

IRC

Sorry, I was away... :-/ --Húsönd 20:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Re Template:Infobox Ethnic group

Hi Khoikhoi,

...I want to thank you for making that infobox look so much nicer. :-) BTW, the Kurdish Jews article got screwed up—would you mind fixing it? Thanks...

...Same for Kazakhs.

Thanks for your generous comment!  I'm glad I finally seem to've found a way to organize this template. I was expecting one or two pages' infoboxes might go awry, so I'll attend to the two you've found now. Hopefully you won't find too many more!  Thanks again, David Kernow (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

There might be a few others, but if I see them, I'll let you know. :-)

Thanks. Kurdish Jews and Kazakhs now fixed (after a few distractions). David (talk) 04:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, could you please make the Pashtun people article look nice? Khoikhoi 22:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Done, via an edit conflict I hope I've resolved correctly. Yours, David (talk) 23:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. Khoikhoi 04:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hope I'm not bothering you, but it looks like Azerbaijani people could do some fixin'-upin'... Khoikhoi 05:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Should be clearer now. I reckon there are a fair few infoboxes out there whose population breakdowns will need some attention, so keep adding them as/when you see them (or even try reformatting them!)  Yours, David (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Civility

Hey, can you take a quick look here. I am having some serious problems with civility on Tajik's part. I tried being nice, being formal, being humorous, but he still comes back with all types of personal attacks and degrading comments, both about me, about Turks and about I don't know what. I reported him for 3RR yesterday, but nothing happened. But the main problem is with civility. I don't know what you can do, but what should I do? :) Thanks Baristarim 01:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Assyrians‎

Please khoikhoi, tell me what to do here. I keep on insisting it does not make sense to list somebody twice in the list, and this has been going on for 6 months, but this Zayya still doesn't get it. I told them numerious times about Wikipedia guidelines, but just ignores. She was banned for some hours too before, but they still on insisting with their ways. Please get involved with this. Chaldean 01:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Baku Massacres - Proposal for Deletion

I'd like to request you to pay attention to recently created page "Baku massacres" by Nareklm. I put my proposal on deletion of that article in Talk Page. Could you provide your judgement?--Dacy69 05:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi, I think you should just delete this article. It'd be too much work to further investigate this (he's right, Azerbaijan was occupied in April 1920 and these incidents did not occur until May, so I'm not exactly sure what we should do). It'll cause too many issues in the long-run, just remove it. It'll be easier on all of us. -- Clevelander 12:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Please talking

Hello It seem that it becomes Edit War concerning POV but try a solution by Talk Page. see Talk:Pontic Greek Genocide.--Naohiro19(Talk Page/Contributions) 09:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Request

When they say "northeastern Armenia" and "nothern Armenia" they are not referring to areas that were annexed by Turkey in the Treaty of Kars. Instead, these refer to regions within the borders of Armenia as it stands today. I'll explain more a bit later. -- Clevelander 12:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, they're referring to the Azeris who lived in Armenia before they left during the Karabakh conflict. If you ask me, these lines should be removed because there are no Azeri speakers living there today. -- Clevelander 01:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi, I'm flattered. :) -- Clevelander 01:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Baku massacres

Hey Clevelander asked for the articles deletion would you mind deleting it? Nareklm 16:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Nareklm 20:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess this one too: "Kirovabad Pogrom". Nareklm 03:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yaşar Kemal

Hello Khoikhoi, it looks like that I was comepletely wrong on Yashar Kemal. He was on paper (Radikal) and in a speech concerning the problems in the southeastern Turkey, he clearly stated that he is from Kurdish origin. I am sorry for the mass that I have created two months ago.

I cleared the sources, because they seem not quite reliable to me. -with kirjasto.sci, I had many problems:(- But the new source is today's newspaper. Is it possible to cite newspapers? Because the internet version seems to be a bit different from the newspaper. Can you cite it? It was on page 14. If necessary, I can tell you the writer later (I don't have the newspaper with me) Thanks Caglarkoca 17:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

kirjasto.sci, or something like that, that I don't know how to write properly:), is a biography website which seems awfully unrelated to me. It looks like that it has been removed long ago. I insisted on the newspaper version, because kemal was on the paper just yesterday. That is the first time that he openly said that he is of kurdish origin, at least on a turkish newspaper, so it is important. I also hate to see numerous citations for a single fact, POV pushers do it all the time and I wanted to clear the page from unnecessary citations. I think one was put to satisfy me, now it is no longer necessary:) (I have no problem with admitting my mistakes)

BTW, who's the woman on your userpage? Khoikhoi 05:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

My girlfriend:) Caglarkoca 08:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes that article is rather strange... Something is either right or wrong, and the number of sources does not change anything. Indeed, sources with edu extension should be used only for academic purposes, especially english, american, french and german universities eliminate POV as much as it can be done. I think the definition of reliable source must be changed in order to put greater trust to websites with edu extension. I also have personal problems with Iranica, it seems it can be as biased as ever. It sometimes even contradicts with itself. Why kidding about my girlfriend? Caglarkoca 18:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Azeris picture

Hey what happened to the Azeris picture we had before? You know the one you got? Aren't collages some kind of copyright infringement? I recall us having that problem in the past so I'm just wondering how the new picture can be used as it is? Also, I put up your picture of Pashtun elders as the main one at the beginning. we'll see how long that lasts. Hope things are going well. Judging from your talkback page your busy as hell. Ah the fun of having authority. ;) Tombseye 18:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see how that went down with Azeris. I'm not adversely against it, BUT I thought it was a copyright infringement to create collages like that. Also, it smacks of overt nationalism to me and is different from encyclopedias that just show average everyday people. If things, i.e. the copyright issue, have changed I don't have a problem with it. Yeah your picture was always perfect for the top spot imo. I only hope we can preserve this new version of the article longer than the last one. I figure I'll wait out the good article thing and then put it up for featured article again and make it stick hopefully. Tombseye 06:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I left a message with Gmaxwell so we'll see how that goes. Figures the Yugoslavs would start this. Just kidding. Yeah, not a bad idea re:Pashtuns. I'll get on it. Yeah you gotta finish watching Carlito's Way though. It's really good. In my opinion, Brian DePalma's best flick. Pacino does a better Cuban than New York Puerto Rican accent, but that's a small quibble given how well it's made. Rentals are okay, but the best movie I've seen recently was Borat. Damn, that movie had me rolling on the floor and that never happens. The Fugitive's watchable as an action flick and all, but a bit formulaic. It's worth seeing once though. If you have any other suggestions on Pashtuns or need help with other stuff just let me know. I'm sure I'll find time in-between working, interning and going to school. oh the pain! Adios. Tombseye 06:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I hear ya. Wikipedia can be really addictive and given my obsessive compulsive nature I have to exercise some control myself. Puerto Ricans have a tough accent and Pacino tried it, but it's hard to master. Puerto Ricans vary in appearance from really white (Ricky Martin) to African so his appearance wasn't a problem for me. I thought he was good in it and Penelope Ann Miller for some reason seems really hot in that movie (okay the topless scene didn't hurt either). Yeah I can't wait to see Spider-Man 3 myself! I'm such a nerd that way. Ah the Israelis and Pals. Now that's always a tough situation, but you don't need me to tell you that. Yeah, the ethnic group thing is getting tough to define these days. So much overlap. The Sabras are viewed by many Israelis as a sign of a single 'ethnic' group, but that's a work in progress really. Also, if one says Israelis we're talking about Israeli Arabs, Druze etc. which again creates certain issues beyond the Ashkenazi and Sephardim. I agree with your position though myself. Palestinians is also a tough one. They are more or less Levantine (meaning that they are similar to Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese basically as well as some Jews in Israel etc. (the genetics seem to link them at least in part to most Jews which is interesting). I note for example Egyptians have an article and are an ethnic group of sorts (with varying definitions from Copts to self-identifying Arabs). I would avoid the ethnic box with both though as you are correct. If we see one for Family Guy, then I'm gonna jump off the empire state or something. Sheesh. I'll do what I can to help out. Ciao. Tombseye 06:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Hi. You had told me that i should probably source my subpage User:Hectorian/Timeline of Modern Greek History. Do u really think this is necessary? I mean that 90% of the info i have placed there comes from sourced wikipedia articles, and since i have created internal links there, the readers can redirect to the respective articles and their sources. After all, it is a timeline, not an article... Do u think it would be OK to make it an article now, remove the 'ref tab' that u placed in the bottom, and let users add 'fact tags' for things they probably dispute? i believe i am able to sourcing everything there:). Regards Hectorian 20:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, i have created an article irrelevant with the things i have been getting involved in Wikipedia; The Dead Brother's Song. Man, it was quite difficult to translate it into English! LOL Do have a look, if u want to correct any possible grammatical mistakes. Thanks Hectorian 20:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. OK, I will create Timeline of modern Greek history, but I will not ask my subpage to be deleted... I've spent much time and effort in it:). I will not source anything at the moment, but, as u advised me, i will not remove the "unreferenced" tag. In fact i will place it in the lead. I hope that if someone disagrees with something, he/she will add "fact" tags, and so, I will be able to source everything there... At the moment, i am not really sure about what to source, since everything may seem "controversial" to some people's eyes. Thanks for The Dead Brother's Song. I am searching for a version of the song at the moment. as soon as i'll find it, u'll have it as well. Ciao Hectorian 20:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the suggestion. I have started to work on the article: [9]. It will require sometime, but such an article was lacking. You might want to add it to your watch-list. --alidoostzadeh 22:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Mitanni seal that was removed

User:Nareklm removed the Mitanni seal and put in "copyvio" in the image [10], when admin User:Jkelly, which handles the copyright images approved it. Nareklm was trying to justify his reasons by created this "false" info in order to remove a Mitanni "related" image. The Mitanni seal was put their and approved by admins and other users who work on Mitanni, otherwise they would have removed it right away as they do with other wrong edits Ararat arev 23:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ridiculous the image is copyright no notification im following the rules. Nareklm 23:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi the User:Jkelly admin approved the image check the edit history please [ Ararat arev (Talk | contribs)

← Older edit Revision as of 20:34, 4 December 2006 (edit) (undo) Jkelly (Talk | contribs) (rm spurious copyright notice, add correct copyright template (one down)) Newer edit → Line 1: Line 1:

Summary

This image is from Martiros S. Kavoukjian's The Genesis of Armenian People, Montreal, 1982. It is the royal seal (winged eight-pointed sun disk flanked by two lions and two eagles) of the King of Mitanni Sauššatar (c. 1440-1410BC) (p. 97). Originally from G. Contenau's 19th century text La Civilisation des Hittites et des Hurrites du Mitanni Paris. p. 62. Ararat arev 23:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello there

The article was changed with a sentence that says Igdir was liberated but I disagree with that. In an Armenian view point it was not liberated. The way it was before was neutral it should be kept that way, but they changed it so I was reverting back to the old and neutral version. ROOB323 04:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

OK no problem thanks for the reminder about the rule tell you the truth I completly forgot about that rule thanks again. ROOB323 04:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Haik page

Can you unprotect the Haik page? User:Eupator and I discussed the changes to be made with references also. He said he will add in that part. Thank you. Ararat arev 06:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Troubled times

Hello. You asked me not to use any meat sock puppets, I am not. The only person I asked to intervene is user Miclovan, but not to do something he wouldn't do if he hadn't seen the article by himself. I am not using any meat or non meat sock puppets, I didn't think Miclovan would be considered that but, well now I know.

I noticed you reverted the changes of an IP, which is not mine but has made the same changes as I would have. I don't know whose IP that is, but I can tell you it is not mine.

If you want me to stop doing changes on the Romania article, just tell me. But explain to me why it is I, that have motivated my changes on the disucussion page, that should let this one pass?

I don't think it is fair for one user, namely Anonimu, to have a monopoly over what goes in that article and what doesn't. Especially when his point of view is only shared by a small minority of romanians and he doesn't motivate his actions on the discussion page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kamenaua (talk • contribs) 08:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Hi. I always hate I cannot for the love of me understand why a brief review of Romanian history (even briefer than the one in History of Romania) needs to get into such topics and begin talk about slogans shouted on Idunnowhatday. Generrally, I tend to stand away from such articles altogether, as they become the ground of the most superficial of sophists, but for now I stand with a shortened and carefully combed over version of Anoniumu's text (I admit I have not looked into all of it, and call attention to the fact that, eventually, the entire text may need to be rewritten). In case you agree with this assessment, Khoikhoi, I'll comment more on the talk page there. Cheers. Dahn 10:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I'll add a comment to the talk page there (but I still won't watchlist it, so perhaps you could keep me posted if something major is decided).

About Wallachia: the first paragraphs of the text are still problematic, and I would not trust some of the sentences in there with holding my wiener in the can (especially given that some of them were contributed by a certain user, who is no longer with us). Unfortunately, they also deal with a period I have never cared much about, and on which the bibliography I have is about 100 years old... Due to that, it may not be FA-ready just yet - but thank you for your kind words. Boogie down. Dahn 07:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I was just about to reply here, but then noticed your query on B's page, noted your good thinking, and glued a demand to yours. Boogie down. Dahn 09:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You sure did. Thanks. Dahn 09:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Nakhichevan

Khoi, I need your comments on the Nakhichevan talk page. Grandmaster seems opposed to the change. -- Clevelander 11:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

We're in a discussion on it now. -- Clevelander 11:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sticky situation

Khoi, what should I do about this? The name "September Days" is essentially a name I created to sort of balance March Days. If we can't use that name per original research, then what should we call it? -- Clevelander 11:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That's the issue, they don't really give it a name. I guess we should call it "1918 Baku massacre" or something like that. -- Clevelander 11:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I can find another source that states anything more about it besides the fact that it occured. -- Clevelander 11:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Why don't we just merge them into one article called Baku massacres? -- Clevelander 14:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That sounds fine. -- Clevelander 00:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

perhaps

Sorry to butt in. Allow me to disagree about Francis Tyers being a good mediator. In my experience, his involvement generates constant and unnecessary complications that lead to antagonisms. His absence seems like a blessing: things are sorted out. For instance, Greek-Turkish points of contention tend to find common ground or people can agree to disagree.

He seems to initiate strictly controversial articles, with only a couple of sentences and then seems to enjoy following or even feeding the ensuing mayhem. IMHO, his contribution to those articles is minimal and his interventions unhelpful. Sorry if I upset anyone; I remain open to suggestions.

My question is: is wikipedia a medium for exploiting other peoples, going through difficult times, to write your essays or carry out your research? If so... Politis 13:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion nominations withdrawn

Khoi, I'd like to withdraw the following deleion nominations I've made:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Oltu
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Alexandropol
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Kars (1920)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Sarıkamış (1920)
• Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 January 15#Template:Campaignbox Turkish-Armenian War -- Clevelander 14:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Re

I was confused about the battle at first because I've never seen it though but it seems acceptable :) Also i invited an historian to wikipedia also his username: Pilisopa he will help us out alot on Urartu and Armenian related articles he has degrees in all those subjects thanks for reminding me! :-D Nareklm 20:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey Khoi can you protect this Iğdır Province it seems a edit war has started. Nareklm 00:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Nareklm 00:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

np, just tell me when you need it whenever. Nareklm 00:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Personal Attack

Hey is this considered a personal attack? "THAT IS NOT APPROVING!" Ararat is accusing me of silly things. Nareklm 23:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Please see this edit he is insulting me in Armenian, Khent = Stupid. Nareklm 23:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Jkelly and just now User:Dbachmann approved the Mitanni seal image. These are admins who approved the image and if you check in the Mitanni history you see what kind of attempts this 16 year old was doing trying to remove it. We are actually discussing in the Talk:Mitanni page. I wont call him stupid anymore. He also shouts out at me,which other users have reported as personal attack. About the Haik page User:Eupator said he will add the info. So please unprotect it. Thank you. Ararat arev 23:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, if you also look in Eupator's discussion on my Talk page you see we discussed the Haik info to put there. Ararat arev 23:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, believe it or not yes.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 23:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Here is what User:Jkelly admin who handles copyright images said. I feel I have to keep repeating what he stands for, so people like Nareklm who revert their approval understand here. Here it is [11] and here [12]. Jkelly put the info of the Summary and the Tag. And as you see just yesterday Dbachmann told Nareklm that the image is ok. Ararat arev 00:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Here just in case:

"the image probably isn't copyrightable. If it is, we can easily argue fair use. Aa has uploaded a lot of dodgy images, but I don't think this particular one is a problem. dab (𒁳) " dab is User:Dbachmann Ararat arev 00:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi i asked Interiot about this here is one quote "As far as I know, armenianhighland.com doesn't indicate anywhere that its images are available under public domain or the GFDL or creative commons. It's certainly appropriate to post them to copyvio at least, since that gives the uploaders some time to discuss whether the site gives permission, and whether armenianhighland is the copyright holder." they need permission with the ticket notification. Nareklm 00:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

This one is not a problem they said. armenianhighland.com is not stated there, yet check the history Khoikhoi. The history of the Mitanni seal image shows that User:Jkelly had seen the armenianhighland previous edit I made. Thats where if you check my link he saw it, and said "removing wrong copyright and putting right one" You see? [13] and here [14]. Ararat arev 00:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Narek is not verifying things correctly to other admins. Do I need to let them know ? Like Interiot? Ararat arev 00:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

What's your point i reverted my edits you can't do anything if your trying to get me blocked i can report you for the other 3RR violations and you insulting me. Nareklm 00:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I let User:Interiot know about this too. I let him know the admisn approved of it. Yet you tried to remove it Ararat arev 00:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Im not trying to get you blocked. What is he say Khoikhoi? Ararat arev 00:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

They check the disussions. I let Khoikhoi know im not going to insult you. Ararat arev 00:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't mean anything you still insulted me im warning you. Nareklm 00:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi what do you want me to say? I already stated if I do again I'll be banned. There are edit history they check Nareklm. Ararat arev 00:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

So dont make up something. Ararat arev 00:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You discussing to him without checking what he did here. The admins approved of this. Its like me randomly going to a page and doing that "copyvio" and removing an image from there, when it was approved. Ararat arev 00:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

When an image is approved it usually needs this click Nareklm 00:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You telling me that the copyright handlers on Wikipedia dont do their work right? If that was the case he would have put it. There is no semi ok. Its either a image is "ok" or its "not". And in this case its "ok" by the admins who handle the images. Ararat arev 01:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, I let Dbachmann know that this guy keeps going on and on about this none sense. I also let Interiot know. Ararat arev 01:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

This guy wants every Wikipedia admin to come and tell him its ok. So far 3 of them have said its ok. Ararat arev 01:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop with this! your the one who brought it up i reverted my edits! Nareklm 01:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok,then get it over with. We were discussing for hours about this none sense when it was approved a month ago. Ararat arev 01:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You were attempting again today to remove it. Khoikhoi can check the history all of them can check the discussions Ararat arev 01:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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Nakhichevan (again)

Hey Khoi, your mediation is really needed on the Nakhichevan talk page. Grandmaster is adamant on retaining the HRW source at any cost. Even a deal to remove another outside source (IWPR) in exchange for the removal of HRW has not satisfied him. I'm really not sure what I should do anymore. Your help is especially needed at this crucial point. -- Clevelander 13:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

nagorno-karabakh war

I would appreciate your judgement in page Nagorno-Karabakh War. Armenian user put a joke there which I am trying to remove. Many jokes can be put there which reflect POV of only one side. And after all, is it a place for joke? --Dacy69 14:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

user Eupator

I would like your interference with behaviour of user Eupator. I have applied to assistance procedure regarding dispute on Urartu page. The dispute was considered and my editing was approved [15] SilkTork identified that future editing (my part) should be discussed with him. However, user Eupator (and Nareklm as well) did editing without further consultation. Eupator and other Armenian users are harrasing me, and they even don't conceal that they are revenging [16] ("since you opened that can of worms deal with the facts"). I have already complained about personal attack from Eupator on page Paytakaran. He went unpunished and continue his inappropriate behavior. You can look at my talk page - they placing questionable warnings on my talkpage [17] and other things, imposing their POV. Almost all my editing are checked by them and either reverted or in other manner modified. While I understand that from formal point of view everyone can edit what s/he want, there is also evidences of wikistalking. I have some positive experience with my ooponents like Clevelander, but such users like Eupator should be banned from editing. --Dacy69 15:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Afrika paprika

Hello. Happy New Year!

Ever since you blocked User:194.152.217.129 a little bit over two weeks ago, he has been requesting unblocks and waiting. While this Afrika paprika's static IP blocked, it appears that he has returned to his traditional 89.172.. and 83.131... IPs (please refer to Wikipedia sockpuppets of Afrika paprika and Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Afrika paprika) and vandalized for a dozen or so times my user page replacing my leave notice with insulting homosexual connotations including a certain War Criminal. He (as the 194.152.217.129) has filed a professional unblock request, although the request was denied. Interestingly enough, when you blocked him, an anon (89...) said that he [Afrika paprika] shall always be waiting and will always return.

Now, 4 days before his block runs our, he has filed another unblock request (which will probably be accepted due to the short time remaining)...it is a heavily uneasy and uncomfortable thing that I ask your to lengthen someone's block, but 2 hours of typing will not be enough to inform you what has Afrika paprika done to me and the whole Wikipedian Community by now. I'm afraid that my good faith (but not ever going into the borders of bad faith) ends here and now and it's a terrible thing that I must make such a horrifying exception. In the end, I'd like to comment a a wise Wikipedian: If Users act like trolls, treat them like trolls. There are mistakes. It's humane to make them. There are uneasy situations and times when we would do something we would have never done, were we not placed on the path towards such an occasion - but Afrika paprika has breached all limits. Even my limits (and those limits are broader that Wikipedia's). Sincerely & sadly yours, --PaxEquilibrium 16:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not the person who introduced in in the first place (a certain administrator did that), but I believe so. --PaxEquilibrium 11:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

thx

thx koi koi

But there is however a comment to be made about tattar and tatar... you see.. in english it is Tatar but the English gave this as a name to make fun of them. So I like to use the tattar version because the tattars themselves write it like that. Likewise I dont say Turkey but Türkiye sinds turkey is offensive. On the other hand Netherlands isnt offensive so I do use the English version for it. Anyways can you change it for me so that there will be links? (Barakus 16:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC))

Please check the Mitanni page

I let Dbachmann know about the advice on putting the image how it is in Urartu page. Asking him to compare the 2 pages. Now is that the 3RR? No,right? Cause its a diffeferent case, Im discussing with him and Dbachmann yet to reply. These guys are reverting when nothing was agreed. Ararat arev 19:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ararat has reached his limit on the reverts if he violates it its a block for 48 hours since he's been warned many times. Nareklm 19:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Narek you cant keep reverting when nothing was agreed by the "Admin" Dbachmann on this. Ararat arev 20:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

And it wasnt a 3RR , I was Talkng to Dbachmann, and Talk:Mitanni about this. Yet to get response from him. You are "reverting" asctually. Ararat arev 20:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC) :Khoi please block Ararat he has violated the 3RR on Mitanni Nareklm 20:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

This isnt that case Narek. I am talking to the "admnin" Dbachmann. He is busy or not here yet to respond to the changes. And it isnt 3RR, i discussing in the Talk pages. Ararat arev 20:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You are the one "reverting" here. Ararat arev 20:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The admin is not here. He hasnt got a chance to respond and he's off line, and you reverting without his response to my "good" advices.Thats not 3RR. Im discussing in Talk:Mitani and his Talk Ararat arev 20:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi this guy is playing games here. He's changing pages images now in Urartu When I specificlly told him Dbachmann will chek the 2 pages and compare. He is again changing and reverting things when wasnt responded by the "admin" Dbachmann. Ararat arev 20:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi please check this to make sure Im not making it up, Im discussing with Dbachmann and havent got a response from him yet,the guy is offline: [18] Ararat arev 20:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah and he never said anything, i can revert if i want. Nareklm 20:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You're not even discussing in Talk:Urartu. I even put my messages there. Ararat arev 20:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Can I get your say in this

Compare the 2 pages Urartu and Mitanni on the map and image settings. Get your say in this so we can leave it like that. It looks better what you think? Lets get a map and image there in both pages . Ararat arev 19:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Were discussing in Talk:Mitanni and Talk:Urartu. Ararat arev 21:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Khoi this is spam he is emailing people so they can aggre with him Mustafa aklap got blocked for this before. Nareklm 21:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Im asking for his opinion. You are the one who childishly started making this a big deal when it was already like this. You even had left it like that with your previous map a few weeks ago. Ararat arev 22:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Rename

Hi. It seems per Wikipedia:Naming conventions, "Push It To The Limit" should be "Push It to the Limit". Would you make the change? Thanks. House of Scandal 02:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Nakhichevan (yet again)

Khoi, again, your mediation is needed on the Nakhichevan article. -- Clevelander 11:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Help needed!

Hi Khoikhoi, I wonder if you can put a block on User:Highshines for a breach against 3RR, sock puppetry and abusive comments:

• First edit
• Second edit
• Third edit

If uyou compare the edits, you see that they are identical:

• First and second
• Second and Third

Please take note of the fact that he has tried to use an IP sock when doing this.

...and here is the answer I got when I warned him/her: User_talk:Highshines#3RR_violation

Hope this is enough.--Niohe 19:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess I reacted too quickly, thanks for helping me with the reverts, but the way. What about his/her use of IP socks and this comment?--Niohe 13:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Niohe is threatening me on something perfectly fine to do. It is a harrassment which deserves a contemptuous reply. Why are you engaged in vandalizing an article by removing relevant, valuable historical images from it, Khoikhoi? Highshines 00:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

At least I'm not using four letter words in conversation or accusing people who do not agree with me of being vandals. You, on the other hand, are reluctant to participate in a principled discussions about your edits and often revert changes against consensus and against policies, such as image use policy.--Niohe 00:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you deny that you have frequently and repeatedly removed relevant and valuable historical images from many articles? If you cannot deny that, then you cannot deny you are a vandal. By the way, I'm not editing images against image use policy, because many of my images do not exceed the maximum width of 550px. Highshines 03:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Highshines, I have every right in the world to remove images that I find superfluous, and I am not the only one who has complained. That is not vandalism. Besides, I have repeatedly encouraged you to create galleries in Commons, and all you do in response is to restore your edit, without comment, using various IP socks. Furthermore, whenever you are challenged on talk pages, you either do not respond or you give up the discussion, only to restore your edits stealthily after a couple of days. --Niohe 03:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You are the one who removed them, thus you are responsible to move them to Commons. If you just make them disappear, I also have a right to restore these historical images. Highshines 04:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Niohe even repeatedly deletes relevant, valuable historical images from non-image-heavy articles, even from articles with only 2 images. For instance, see the history of Yixin, Prince Gong, Empress Xiao Xian Chun, Imperial Noble Consort Hui Xian. None of the images are identical, and they were all painted or photographed in different years. It can do no harm to leave these images on the articles, and even if these images should be removed, Niohe should have previous noticed me the uploader so that I could move the images to WikiCommons. The example Niohe provided Talk:Empress_Dowager_Cixi/Archives_1#This_article_is_image_heavy is just an extreme case where it was indeed image-heavy, and I have agreed and removed several images myself. There is absolutely no user complaints on all the rest of the articles. Also, I'm not editing images against image use policy, because I have resized all my images so that they do not exceed the maximum width it states (550px). Actually, most of them are within 300px wide and many of them are even smaller. No one with sufficient intelligence would always respond to one side of the argument, Khoikhoi.

Look at these valuable historical images of extreme high quality and resolution that Niohe has been trying hard to destroy:

• 1
• 2
• 3
• 4
• 5

Look at how many images and galleries this article has. Most of my articles do not even contain one-third or one-fourth as many as the images that article contains. Highshines 22:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Your claims that I'm a "stalker".

I've replied here, and there is a link for your benefit. Mathmo ^Talk 23:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I've replied again [19], do please explain this apparent personal attack on me. Mathmo ^Talk 12:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Tweedle dee tweedle dum, I've replied already. Did you think about assuming good faith before claiming that I'm stalking you? Mathmo ^Talk 05:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Bit of a controversial category

Hi Khoikoi, i just came across this "Category:Genocide deniers" being added to certain writers and academics. What do you think? Personally i think it is slanderous for Wikipedia to label academics "genocide deniers". Thanks, --A.Garnet 01:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes it should be deleted Khoikoi, its a sweeping accusation made against academics. Who are these editors to label them genocide deniers? --A.Garnet 19:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ali_Khamenei&diff=101488286&oldid=101476195

Please do not remove content from Wikipedia, as you did to Ali Khamenei. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --Patchouli 03:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Ali Khamenei. Please be careful not to remove content from Wikipedia without a valid reason, which you should specify in the edit summary or on the article's talk page. Take a look at our welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ali_Khamenei&diff=101490214&oldid=101490053

--Patchouli 04:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It is a response to Khamenei calling Gulf leaders dictators. Parade hasn't called Blair & Bush dictators. David Wallechinsky did the analysis. In 2007, Khamenei was outranked only by Kim Jong-Il & Omar al-Bashir.--Patchouli 04:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• David even lampooned Khamenei for turning Ahmadinejad into a "lighting rod" while keeping all the political power for himself. It was broadcast on an ABC webcast and the 2007 list will be published.

You are a WP veteran with lots of edits under your belt. You may remove my warnings.--Patchouli 04:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Which magazines?--Patchouli 04:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC) Parade didn't put Bush & Blair on the list.--Patchouli 04:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC) Parade gives reasons one of which is the same as that given by the Committee to Protect Journalists.--Patchouli 04:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_W._Bush&oldid=101437142 doesn't have "war-monger". However, Bush himself has said on NBC with Tim Russert something along the lines of "I am a war-time president."

Being a dictator in not bad per se, being the worst dictator is. Except, Saudi Arabia, all Gulf states are freer than Iran. When U.S. tries to promote democracy, Khamenei accused it of meddling in internal affair of those states. --Patchouli 04:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Huseyincan Celil

Three governments have accused him of being a terrorist, hes been convicted of being a terrorist, and multiple Canadian politicians have talked about the implications of extraditing alleged terrorists to China. How is this not relevant to Category:Terrorism in China? KazakhPol 04:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it would not. Please see Category:Designated terrorist organizations. KazakhPol 04:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

In no way does that category label him a terrorist. Terror experts are put in the same category. All that that means is that it's relevant. Your practically saying that Osama Bin Laden couldnt be put into Category:Terrorism in Afghanistan because the Taliban does not consider him a terrorist. KazakhPol 05:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

What? Undue Weight? We are talking about a category... How does Undue weight relate to this discussion? I do not understand what you are trying to say here: "Looking at his actions at terrorism is a one-sided way at looking at things—this is extensively discussed at WP:WTA." The number of countries that consider individuals or organizations as terrorists is irrelevant. There need only be one per the explanation on Category:Designated terrorist organizations. KazakhPol 05:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Sprotect

Hey can you Sprotect my talk page so Anons cant message me ararat keeps bugging me. Nareklm 05:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

By the way he just came back hes ip now 75.4.31.55 Nareklm 05:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! man :-) Nareklm 06:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedian Bots

Cheers, Khoikhoi. How experienced are you with bots? --PaxEquilibrium 12:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Please block spammer on keystroke logging

Hi Khoikhoi, please would you glance at the history on Keystroke logging and block the spammer 165.228.132.11 [20]? Consensus on that page is that links to free programs are useful, but links to paid-for programs are spam. Fayenatic london 13:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Makis Voridis

Hi Khoikhohi, regarding these reverts ([21]), do we actually have a source for the claim? It seems the other guys might actually have a point there. Or am I missing something? In any case, it would be helpful if you provided a reason for your reverts and didn't use the rollback button for such things, don't you think? -- On a different note, of course, Virbarim (talk · contribs) doesn't really look like a genuine new user - but that's a different issue, I guess... Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Ordu

Hi, I've fully protected the page per Nareklm's request at RFPP, and I have blocked Oguz1 (talk · contribs) for 24 hours as a result of a 3RR violation at Ordu. I have also blocked Finduk (talk · contribs) indefinitely, as I have reason to believe he/she is a sockpuppet of Oguz1. Comments/response? Nishkid64 21:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, protected. By the way, you might want to consider using edit summaries instead of just doing rollbacks. It makes it easier for other people to understand what's going on. Nishkid64 21:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I blocked the user for 24 hours. It looks like Oguz1 has a dynamic IP, or he's using open proxies that haven't already been blocked. Nishkid64 23:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Xenopol

Hi.I need your urgent input on the Alexandru Dimitrie Xenopol article, where a user keeps vandalizing (adding nonsense, blanking) and rephrasing to blatant POV, as a means to hide Xenopol's anti-Semitism. He has also created himself a sockpuppet for this purpose. Dahn 01:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Incivility, User:Kékrōps

Khoikhoi, I'd appreciate your advice. There have been a series of edits on Thessaloniki, Talk:Thessaloniki and User:Kékrōps, in which, I believe, Kekrops has demonstrated intentional incivility. I would like to know how I should respond.

The dispute involves all the edits over a brief period of time (you edited during that time). It began with me: editing Thessaloniki's lead. It ended with an edit by Kekrops that I thought was quite good. Unfortunately it was accompanied by disturbing comments on the talk page.

They all can be found at Talk:Thessaloniki#Macedonian removed?. In particular:

• this accusation of vandalism
• this extreme misinterpretation of my comment
• this striking out of my comment, plus an accusatory edit summary

My explanation of the comment that seems to have made him lose control seems to have been rejected, as once again

• kekrops struck out my comment, and addressed me in what I assume was intended to be a mocking tone.
• kekrops drops the pretense of civility here

The last diff is just a content problem; he hasn't read the talk page:

• [22]

Had he done so, he might have read this sourced info

After his last edit of the article (again, I think it was good) I addressed his incivility on his talk page. I found his response lacking.

I think that's everything. What would you do? Jd2718 01:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

That's hardly everything. As someone who followed both the discussion and the article edits closely, I feel that this preceding edit summary comment of yours is a bad faith vio, plus an uncivil comment, plus an explicit misinterpretation of this perfectly clear comment, possibly aiming to inflame the situation. You also continued that attempt to alter Kekrops' words here (assuming another editor wants to "bury" other 4 languages by ...adding one more). Also "New Yawk" was quoted by jd in the first place,[23] and I'd be offended too if someone assumed I'm not in a position to understand English[24] (being a native speaker myself). There are more, but goodnight for now. NikoSilver 02:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I gave diffs for the edits I most take issue with, but yes, I am hoping that Khoikhoi gives me advice based on the full extent of the brief exchange, including my own edits. "New Yawk" was an example of a distinctive local pronunciation that is not represented in Wikipedia. Kekrops threw it back as an insult. But you knew that. Jd2718 02:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Jd2718 06:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the follow-up comment. I am in general concerned about the voices of those not present or too weak to speak. In this case, having Albanian removed, Turkish alternately removed and moved down (let me avoid the word that caused offense), Ladino alternately removed, moved down, and replaced with Hebrew (!)... well, out of frustration I gave voice to a belief about intent that should not have been voiced. I need to be more careful. Thank you for taking the time to review and providing feedback. Jd2718 15:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I am currently disputing the untimely removal of the Siberian Interwiki link on Germanic Languages

I am a 3rd party to the whole Siberian wiki issue. I have addressed my reasoning as to why the Siberian link should not be removed at this time. Please address my concerns on the Talk Page. As my edit summary kindly mentions. --Puellanivis 05:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk page

I have not broken any 3RR rule, when I specifically put my piece back in and it was subsequently removed by a person not once, but twice. Removed without any thought - then you come along and remove it on a whim as well (it has a specific relevance to the article). I don't do this to your edits, it isn't fair for you to do to mine. The map is a genuine historic 15th century map - what exactly do you want? perfection? it is as legible as authenticity gets. You are setting me up and I don't appreciate it. I will get several of my friends who are admins involved, if need be. Rarelibra 05:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you not see the value of this artifact? One of my odd hobbies is to collect old maps - not talking about an Atlas of the US from 1980, this is a map from 1574, and I have a certificate of authenticity with a raised seal from the place I bought it from in Europe. If it needs to be a better resolution, let me know (I'm a mapper, not a photographer). If you want a close-up of Constantinople, so be it (I will try my best). But of all the edit changes and such, I thought I would show a real piece of history from when the city was actually Constantinople. That is all I wanted. Then along comes a user and click! it's gone. I added to the other locations (on top if they didn't have a lot of addition to the article) because those locations are on that map... and have historic value. Am I so wrong to want to contribute such a resource? Rarelibra 05:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

User:82.77.7.236

Well, well... If it ain't Dacodava... (check out his edits). Dahn 13:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

And now User:82.77.7.233. What is he doing, circling the internet cafe or something? Dahn 15:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Hm

this might amuse you (or not). --PaxEquilibrium 20:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Un-semi-protect request

Hi! Could you, please, un-semi-protect my talk page. I want to allow new Wikipedians to be able to leave me messages. If there will be many messages from "old" ones, I will ask you to semi-protect it again, and perhaps do as you did on yours. But for now, I would like to try, maybe time has changed moods.

Are any of my other user sub-pages protected? Can I see a list of all my subpages, and delete those created as test/intermediate solutions? Thank you very much.

Sorry I have been very busy from the end of November till Christmas, and then was on Christmas (including email and internet :-) ) vacation. I am trying to balance now my real life with occasional contribs to wikpedia, so it will take time to get to the places where there is more work to do (articles that need more research and thought). Now I'm trying to limit that number by dealing with the small stuff here and there. Best wishes, :Dc76 00:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you very much for information and links about logs, existing pages etc. I did not know any of it. Could you, please erase the following:

• User:Dc76/Userbox Something
• User:Dc76/Userbox Something10
• User:Dc76/Userbox Something11
• User:Dc76/Userbox Something12
• User:Dc76/Userbox Something2
• User:Dc76/Userbox Something3
• User:Dc76/Userbox Something4
• User:Dc76/Userbox Something5
• User:Dc76/Userbox Something6
• User:Dc76/Userbox/Sometihng3
• User talk:Dc76/Archive1, which is empty, but don't erase User talk:Dc76/Archive 1
• User talk:Dc76/test

Christmas was nice, thank you. How was your break, did you have one?

Yes, I am very busy in real life. I spend too much time on Wikipedia :-) From time to time, as relaxation, it's all right. For two years I was reading only, did not make more than 50 edits in two years (before I had an account), now I have almost 900 edits. Of course, not even close to your 45000! So now, instead of mostly learning new stuff, I mostly edit. There is almost no time left for browsing. But I am glad it is not stressful as was in October when some people took me for someone else, and I've learned my way around a bit. Best wishes, see you! :Dc76 23:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

List of sovereign states

You might want to look in on List of sovereign states. The debate on what should/should not be listed is reoccurring. This time it is Transnistria instead of Abkhazia and South Ossetia-- (Shocktm | Talk | contribs.) 03:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

User_talk:MariusM#List_of_sovereign_states :Dc76 03:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Could you...

Khoi, could you rename this category to "Saints from Anatolia"? The category was created by a user from Florida of Irish descent who appears to have been oblivious to the implications of this category. The name "Turkish saints" sounds as if the saints in the category were ethnic Turks, which indeed they were not. Most were around before the Turks even arrived in Anatolia. -- Aivazovsky 19:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Message

I appreciate your message. But instead of sending automated messages with no substance, read the article and give your humble opinion on the matter on the talk page. Arthurian Legend 20:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arthurian Legend (talk • contribs) 20:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Thanks

thank you for welcoming and helping me —The preceding unsigned comment was added by OnurtheAgha (talk • contribs) 20:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Huseyincan Celil

Why do you keep on removing the fact that he was convicted of terrorism? It's not like this is debatable... this is all sourced. KazakhPol 21:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

If thats your reasoning - in other words you have no reason - then I am not about to stop reverting. KazakhPol 22:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for welcoming me - Mssnlayam 23:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Your revert on the policy village pump

Please explain Iamunknown 00:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem Chaldean 03:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

By the way can I ask you something? In the editing summary what do you do to make it say Reverted edits by 61.95.21.162 (talk) to last version by Chaldean ? Chaldean 03:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh man I thought it was like a button or something. Your telling me you do it manually everytime?! errrr Chaldean 04:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Agos

Hey Khoikhoi, Agos does mean furrow. I replied on that page. - Fedayee 03:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, me too. -- Davo88 03:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do you think he called this newspaper "Agos"? Considering the fact that Malatya is a city, it couldn't be that he was nostalgic of his past... -- Davo88 03:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

I've been on Wikipedia for awhile, but never done very many edits. I just got the "bug" a few weeks ago. Thanks for the welcome! Tim Butler 04:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Mediation of Atat?rk High School of Science

Onganer has asked for mediation [request] on the disagreement between you on the title of this article. I've accepted this case and am interested in hearing your interpretation of Wikipedia's naming policy as it relates to the title of this article. When you get a moment, could you please explain your point of view on that mediation request's project page? Thanks. Flakeloaf 05:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

I am sorry to be asking your help, but can you help me revert the move here [25]? The Afd just closed and it was haphazardly moved without any discussion. I had to copy-paste the articles since I couldn't do the move using the move button. If you could at least tell me what is causing the problem, I can do it. Thanks! Baristarim 05:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Interesting thing with the mediation, eh? :) I have to go to sleep but if you can simply paste the histories of the pages that I mentioned that would be enough I think. I really have no idea how it would work. Good night and cheers! Baristarim 06:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you yet again

Thank you for both the vigilence and the lovely edit on Romanian general election, 1946. Dahn 05:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI

Just for your information: [26]. Could you point me to the checkuser result perhaps? I couldn't find it. - Oh, and btw, I hope you don't mind I re-created the one redirect from Greece in the Middle Ages that you G5-speedied; I think as a redirect it really made sense. Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, okay then. Given the lame excuse, the checkuser evidence is probably superfluous anyway now... :-) I must admit I hadn't thought of Greier when I dealt with "Mursili" yesterday. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

By the way, have you any idea how old an account has to be in order to slip through semiprotection? I was going to vote on meta on the ru-sib closure issue, but my account over there was only just created. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hey, thanks for the welcome,seems you're quite the vandal hunter ;) Cheers for the info, some useful stuff there. Icanhearthegrassgrow 11:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 18:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:Hey

Thanks for the information. I didn't realize that you had moved all of the categories so I wondered what happened to them ;). Also thanks for the advice on the CE/AD issue. The reason I changed it was because the rest of the article uses BC and AD as opposed to BCE and CE. As a result, I attempted to standardize the convention the article uses. In addition, BC and AD are more frequently used among English speakers. However, I can see your point as well. With regards, Anupam^Talk 23:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your comments. In my opinion, our Muslim brothers would not object to the use of BC/AD as they hold Jesus Christ (Isa) to be one of their prophets also. In addition, Muslims operate on a lunar calendar as opposed to the Gregorian calendar. BCE/CE is a relatively new term and receives 1/5 of the amount of Google hits the BC/AD does (see source). In the United States anyway, one will find that the large majority of people implement the BC/AD convention as opposed to the BCE/CE convention. In light of these facts, it is evident that the issue does have to do with common usage. However, as you said, I think its best to leave the acronyms the way the author wrote them, which in this case, happens to be BCE/CE. By the way, I liked the Hindi/Urdu remark at the end. ;) With regards, Anupam^Talk 04:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Justin McCarthy

Hey Khoi, see Talk:Ottoman casualties of World War I. Ottoman Reference is defending Justin McCarthy. -- Aivazovsky 23:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:LAME

If you really want to remove that entry, feel free. But, if you step back and look at it, you realize it's not that big a deal. It's not even a POV or content dispute: it's just about whether the Finnish title should be there. -Patstuart^talk|edits 23:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Ararat arev

He is still evading his block sadly, [27] Nareklm 01:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

He also has another account sock puppet User:Aryatsi Nareklm 01:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure but it might take me a while. Nareklm 01:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah lol im pretty lazy when it comes to that hehe but im doing it now so we'll see :-) Nareklm 01:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

It has been done!!! Nareklm 01:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Please block 75.4.215.251 Nareklm 02:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah forgot that, still its anonymous i don't know if its him! :-P Nareklm 02:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Please semi-protect Phrygian language thanks Ararat is messing around and this is an exception. Nareklm 02:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Sigh Phrygian language the user just wont stop is there anyway of stopping him? Nareklm 04:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The image should be deleted seven days after (20 January 2007) or 48 hours after the uploader is notified if the image is copyrighted under a non-free license via fair use. It fits the criteria. Nareklm 04:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Some updates

I put in my 2 cents on the Tanoli debate. I don't know why I keep picturing a Cannoli, but I am! Anyway, it's a tough issue and I saw it coming as the Hindkowans are a mixed group and as is often the case vary in how they define themselves, BUT most see themselves as Pathans and not Punjabis, but this is not universally the case. They are mentioned as a Pashtun tribe in the books I've read though and are a borderline group basically. Oh and what to you think about this debate? I thought I was being neutral here and we do try to mirror other encyclopedias I would think. I can see how this can get tiring dude. I get tired just from the short time I spend here sometimes. At any rate, always glad to lend a helping hand. Ciao. Tombseye 04:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yikes, I don't know how to fix this problem exactly re:Caucasian peoples. It looks like we might have to either make separate articles, one that keeps the Peoples of the Caucasus and one for Caucasian peoples OR just eliminate the part that includes the Armenians and Azeris OR leave it as is and just expand Caucasian languages to include the people. Encyclopedia Britannica denotes Caucasian peoples as referring to ALL the people of the Caucasus for example including Armenians, Azeris, and Ossetians. What do you think? I guess given the precedent we've set with Iranian peoples, Germanic, Slavic etc. the way to go would be Caucasian peoples. Let me know what you think and we'll go from there. Man, you sure encounter some tough issues here. I was thinking that after the Pashtuns is returned to FA status, the Persians might be next. Ya know, because I'm such a glutton for punishment. ;) Tombseye 05:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Ashwin

Could you have a look there? He's requesting unblock. Thanks. — Nearly Headless Nick 14:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Judea and Samaria

Maybe you can help me. I would like to get rid of the Judea and Samaria article and merge it with the West Bank. I think the Judea and Samaria article is weak and should either have the same content as on the West Bank page or should be directed to the West Bank page. Are you in favor?David Betesh

Vandals

Hello boss. There seems to be a certain serial-vandal sockpuppet attacking several articles, namely here[28], here[29] and here[30], and most likely elsewhere. Do you think a protection is possible? He's been at it non-stop. Miskin 23:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I put those two in my watchlist, let's hope he stops. Thanks. Miskin 10:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Oguz1

You might be interested in my comments at User talk:Oguz1. --Macrakis 00:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Karapapak

Sure, I'll look into it. Parishan 03:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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"Ottoman casualties"

Hi Khoikhoi, can I ask you as a neutral arbiter to help out at the "Ottoman casualties" article? We had a ridiculous move war last night resulting in move protection (done by Nishkid68 at my request). The protection happened at a version that is not only WP:WRONG (obviously), but also a Grammatically Wrong Version That Nobody Really Wanted: Ottoman casualties of the World War 1 (sic!). We need someone to bend protection policy in the interest of proper English and move that page back to any one of the two originally contentious versions: either Ottoman Muslim casualties of World War I or Ottoman casualties of World War I. I can't do it because I've expressed a preference for one of them and currently both sides suspect me of being biased. I'd suggest we toss a wiki-coin. If you agree, just post a response here. If the revision number of your response is even, it goes to "Muslim", if it's odd, it goes to not-"Muslim". What d'you say? Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

There's been some extensive discussion about the scope and title of the article already, most recently in its second AFD. The AfD was closed as "keep", but some editors (including me) have interpreted the result of the AfD discussion as a mandate to move to a different title. That's been strongly contested however. Right now, I don't think either of us can solve this by administrative fiat, I'm just proposing as an interim measure to move it to some random title that makes sense at least grammatically. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Please vote?

Hello khoikhoi, I have a little dispute on something and I think I could use your help. Can you please vote on this [31]? Thanks in advance. Behnam 09:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh its not really a big dispute, its just a minor disagreement on which image to show for the Pashtuns section of that article. I put a link there for both of them and my rational for picking one image over the other is also. Please just so which one you like better (but please first read my rational). Thanks again. Behnam 05:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually I had a link for to both of them, I just didn't show them both. Now I fixed that so you can see both of them right there. Sorry about that. With that picture... I don't think User: NisarKand would like that, he would think we are trying to make Pashtuns look bad. (lol). The guy makes the most silly accusations and I don't really want to deal more of his accusations so I think its best if we don't put that picture there. I think the one I picked is pretty good. But see which one of the two you like better. Thanks for your time. Behnam 05:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Article Xionites

Please, remove tendentious link Han chauvinism from this article. --millosh (talk (sr:)) 13:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Article History of the name Azerbaijan

Dear khoikhoi, User Azerbaijani keeps removing my quotes to articles by Richard Tapper and to the book by Dr. Firuz Kazemzadeh pertaining to Azerbaijan. Please, assist to explain him that he cannot remove quoted references. I only put [citation needed] around everything that he does not have quote for. Thanks Atabek 20:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

--Yannismarou 20:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

As you set out for Ithaka, hope the voyage is long Knowledge is your destiny, but don't ever hurry the journey May there be many summer mornings when With what pleasure and joy, you come into harbors seen for the first time Don't expect Ithaka to make you rich. Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey And, if I, one of your fellow-travellers, can offer something To make this journey of yours even more fascinating and enjoyable This is my assistance with anything I can help.

Ararat_arev

This guy doesn't give up: Special:Contributions/75.4.219.115-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 21:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Mehmet Ali Ağca

Hi there! One can't keep away from Wiki so long... About the edit, I reversed it. AFAIK, no one has ever contested Mehmet Ali Agca's membership to the Grey Wolves. It's mentioned in about every newspaper articles (whatever the langage or newspaper) which speak about him, so I think it's just plain old vandalism. Concerning Hrant Dink, I was quite surprised to see so many edits since his assassination, all of this to give the end result "Islamists are the most suspected" (quoting: "Another witness, the owner of a restaurant near the Agos office, said the assassin looked about 20, wore jeans and a cap and shouted "I shot the infidel" as he left the scene [22] and Dink's close friend Orhan Alkaya stated that the three-shot assassination technique was a signature mark of the Turkish Hezbollah.") So, any one who fires three shot is from Turkish Hezbollah? I've read different stories in the press, mainly suspicions concerning ultra-nationalists. This is not a good point for Wikipedia, to wait three days or four before correcting such a sensitive point... At least conditional and hypothesis should be stressed a lot more (and even the "Allah Akbar!" cry by the assassin of Andrea Santoro in Trabzon doesn't seems particularly a sign of Islamism for Libération ([32]), the assassin being rather a member of ultra-nationalist circles. Tell me, is that Islamist allegation and silence over ultra-nationalists (which I've since corrected, but writing style remains poor) direct translation of tr:Hrant Dink Suikastı? Or is it just on the English version? Teşekkür, fare well ! Tazmaniacs

Glad to see that I am not the only one thinking this way... For me it seems like another version of the strategy of tension. But in this case, they are not trying to blame the Communists, but the Islamists... Hectorian 02:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

(If you have time) Please vote in the survey on this proposed move

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Valiyat-e_faqih_%28book_by_Khomeini%29#Survey

Valiyat-e faqih → Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih

--Leroy65X 23:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

(If you have time) Please vote in this proposed deletion

Hey again. Check out this article currently up for deletion. I thought you might be interested in expressing your thoughts on it: Evidence against Armenian Genocide.

I have been taking a break from the wiki world and settling down to actually doing something I'm paid to do. :-) But this one just shouted at me.

Carlossuarez46 02:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

My images

Ararat is trying to remove them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tigranmetscoin.jpg Nareklm 02:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Just to say thanks for unprotecting Xionites. --millosh (talk (sr:)) 03:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Population numbers @ Persian Page

Hi,

Please take a look at the population table of Persian people where the upperbound is 54 million. If we add up the numbers given in table as given, we arrive at 37-43 million range. I left a note on the talk page a few weeks ago, but unfortunately it was largely ignored (except for an irrelevant response that did not address the simple mistake in the arithmetics). Thanks.Heja Helweda 03:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Caucasians and Persians

Yeah, it seems like they, Caucasians, deserve an article too, but I don't know how to go about this. This might be a backburner issue for a while. I just started this internship and with that, a job AND school and working on the Persians I'm buried! In a good way if you're a masochist. Pashtuns passed good article so that's cool. Not quite what it was, but better than nada. You're right though it'll need a ton of references. I'm gonna take a different approach with Persians and you're suggestion is a good one. The more we can collaborate on that the better too. It'll be like old time when we worked on Iranian peoples and had our 15 minutes of fame eh? Tombseye 04:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, well I checked out Azeris. I guess I should have realized that there was smoke on account of my ears burning since someone was talking smack about me. I left a few comments. Thanks for the heads up as always. Really silly argument though. When a range is given that should settle the issue really. The citation needed signs are silly. The books and references explain the history already, which we spent so long trying to fix anyway. In addition, I don't think obvious things like "there is renewed interest in cross-border ethnic ties" needs a citation (but I gave a link) as at some point a line needs to be drawn regarding citations. I sure as hell ain't gonna add citations to every sentence. Sheesh. Will get on the Persians article soon and I'm sure we'll get that thing up to par (at least to good article status).

Gracias

Thank you for protecting the “reggaetón” page, I really appreciate it. --Noé Æ 05:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism to Reggaeton Page

I'm afraid that you have inadvertantly mis-edited the "Reggaeton" page. User Noé Æ made major edits to the page that were not warranted, did so without consensus. I invite you to look at the discussion page to see concrete facts as to why the page title should not have been changed, the proof (especially with regards to artist CDs) is absolutely irrefutable. There is a reason why the page had gone through over 1,500 edits over the years and not one edit to the title: because that particular spelling resolves to a hybrid word that never needed an accent. I would appreciate it if you visit the talk page, and then restore the title back to its original version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Reggaet%C3%B3n#Erroneous_Use_of_Accent_in_Title