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A collaborative Wikiproject for Christchurch-related articles ?[edit]

A small group of editors have shown interest in collaboration to improve the Christchurch article, and significant work has already taken place. In addition to the work on the main article, the collaboration will involve review and changes for various Christchurch-related articles, and potentially the creation of some new articles. It may be useful to establish a Wikiproject to help co-ordinate this work and provide a central place for discussion about inter-relationships between content etc. Future expansion of the project scope could potentially include improvements to media in Wikimedia Commons, and enhancing coverage in Wikidata and Wikisource. There are several possible approaches to a project for supporting collaboration. These are:

  1. stay with the current approach of discussions on the talk pages of articles (ie, do not establish a project)
  2. establish a simple collaborative project page (or taskforce), broadly similar to WP:WikiProject New Zealand/National parks. This might include a table with a row for each section of the main article, and a separate table listing some related articles that are important to the discussions, with some notes about the issues and proposed steps for those sections or articles. Establishing a simple collaborative project page appears quite easy.
  3. establish a fully-featured WikiProject_Christchurch, possibly following the example of: WP:WikiProject_Auckland, including a banner for the new Wikiproject to be applied to the talk page for all category-linked articles (presumably by a robot or tool), and then providing an automated table of all articles linked to the WikiProject_Christchurch, with their importance and quality rating. Establishing a fully-featured WikiProject appears somewhat complex, but would be in line with other projects for city articles (see listing of benchmark projects on the WikiProject Auckland page). However, it would need a reasonably large number of editors involved to make this worthwhile.

Please provide feedback on the merits of a WikiProject for Christchurch-related articles, and the preferred approach._Marshelec (talk) 22:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my view, a taskforce is plenty enough. There aren't the numbers available to support or justify a full-blown WikiProject. Schwede66 23:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that a taskforce under WPNZ is plenty. I'm happy to help with coordinating. David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 23:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be interested in participating in a Christchurch taskforce. I have never been to Christchurch (nor Auckland), so I don't have particuarly much knowledge about the area in my head already, but I have noticed that Christchurch articles tend to pique my interest more than most places, so it would be nice to be told about topics which have no, or limited, coverage on Wikipedia. 📊Panamitsu (talk) 00:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I approve this task force, seems like a nice project. Alexeyevitch(talk) 00:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Medtral[edit]

So, as part of the Wikidata Coordinate Me 2024 I've stumbled on a New Zealand "hospital" called Medtral. I'm not sure if they're still a thing, since www.medtral.com is now an expired domain, searching doesn't turn up much, and the article history looks very suspiciously WP:COI or WP:BROCHURE mostly circa 2008-09. Should we delete the article? I've changed the Wikidata item to an instance of "medical tourism" instead of "hospital" in the meantime. — Jon (talk) 08:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I came across the same one the other day trying to clean up the list of NZ articles without coordinates but forgot to mention it. I've got the same concerns about it as a thing and reckon it could be worth deletion - I noticed it had a couple of news articles a while back, but not a lot recently. Turnagra (talk) 09:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was the international marketing arm of MercyAscot. The WP article seems to be part of their marketing effort. Delete. Nurg (talk) 22:35, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Created by an SPA, who I suspect had COI. It's not something I've heard of in my work in the Auckland health region, so I agree with deleting. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medtral (2nd nomination) Schwede66 20:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Medtral was removed from the Companies Register in 2020. So delete.--Gertrude206 (talk) 06:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ThreeNow[edit]

Hi there, I have finished a draft article on the ThreeNow streaming service. However, the mainspace ThreeNow currently redirects to Three (TV channel). Was wondering if someone who is an admin could resolve this issue? Thanks. Andykatib (talk) 21:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've filed for the redirect to be speedily deleted, I should be able to sort the draft once that's been processed. Turnagra (talk) 05:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Turnagra:, thanks so much. Hope things go smoothly. Andykatib (talk) 12:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should be all sorted and approved now! Turnagra (talk) 19:32, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saturday 18 May Auckland - Edit-a-thon and Photo tour -Women in Architecture Aotearoa[edit]

Women in Architecture Aotearoa WikiProject is a project to improve content of New Zealand women architects and their work in Wikipedia, Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons.

On Saturday 18 May 2024 there is an in-person walking tour at 10am - 1pm and an editing event 10am - 4pm. Book a ticket (for catering and organising purposes). Lunch provided. Feel free to drop in anytime for a refresher of how to do Wikipedia or to contribute your expertise and meet others.

This project is inspired by the publishing in 2022 of the book Making Space: A History of New Zealand Women in Architecture edited by Elizabeth Cox.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland_23

Walking Tour, 10am to 1pm The walking tour will be starting in Auckland CBD and take you to five locations. Free license photos and images are a challenging aspect of filling out wikipedia articles. Attendees will be asked to take photos during the walking tour and upload them to WikiCommons to contribute to the online database! Meet outside the Ellen Melville Centre at 10am, we will finish the tour at Auckland Museum. Lunch will be provided, followed by a tutorial on photo uploading by Lisa. Please bring your own laptop for uploading!


Edit-a-thon, 10am to 4pm The edit-a-thon will run from 10am-4pm at the Learning Labs at Auckland Museum. Copies of Making Space and other publications will be available for reference. All experience levels welcome! A beginners’ course will be held at 10am after introductions, for new editors or experienced ones that need a refresher. Location: Learning Labs, at Auckland Museum, Level 1 next to Te Whiwhinga the Imaginarium.


Feel free to come by any time during the day to join the group.

Please bring your own editing device.

Lunch will be provided at 1pm.
Pakoire (talk) 04:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shine TV sources[edit]

The Christian TV channel Shine TV has a streaming service called Shine On Demand but have had trouble finding third party sources like news media or Scoop reports. The only sources that I have been able to find are its website and two Facebook Videos from 2020 and 2021. Not sure if I can use these sources for the article? Andykatib (talk) 12:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The website is probably fine for WP:ABOUTSELF but you're not going to be able to write much more than the fact that it exists with those sources. If it has no coverage outside of their website and Facebook does it merit inclusion? Traumnovelle (talk) 15:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it does not have independent sources it’s not notable. Schwede66 18:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Traumnovelle: and @Schwede66: for your advice. Will just briefly mention Shine On Demand in the Shine article using the webpage but won't use the Facebook sources. Andykatib 01:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wairau Creek, Auckland[edit]

Hi, was pointed here (by User Lovelano (thank you)) from Commons. I realised that there are two distinct creeks called "Wairau Creek" in Auckland, one to the north of Waitemata Harbour (meeting Hauraki Gulf at Milford Reserve), and the other between Glendene and Kelston in the southwest of the harbour.

What would be the best way to name the categories on Commons for these two distinct creeks as at the moment, we have c:Category:Wairau Creek (4 images - I do not know if they're all of the same creek) and c:Category:Wairau Creek, Auckland (empty): they are not specific enough, but I'm unfamiliar with local views/naming/best practice.

The descriptions for the Wikidata items:

Based on that, suggested category names are: "Wairau Creek, Kelston" and "Wairau Creek, North Shore"? Any thoughts? I can create cats etc., but feel free to be bold. Thanks in advance. Deadstar (talk) 13:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why not just Wairau Creek, Milford? Traumnovelle (talk) 15:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You would disambiguate based on a suburb, not some reserve. Schwede66 18:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your replies. So is the suggestion "Wairau Creek, Kelston" and "Wairau Creek, Milford"? Deadstar (talk) 18:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. "Wairau Creek, Kelston" and "Wairau Creek, North Shore". Schwede66 19:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is fine. It makes no sense to use a suburb for one and the larger area/old city for another. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What? Both Milford and Kelston are suburbs, Milford isn't 'some reserve' and the North Shore isn't a suburb. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, my mistake. I was unaware of that. Schwede66 02:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One issue here is that the North Shore creek is on the border between Milford and Castor Bay (so it'd be like saying 'Tasman Sea, Australia'), and that it flows through multiple North Shore suburbs. Prosperosity (talk) 04:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It mostly flows through Milford and exits to sea there, a small part of the stream flows through Hillcrest. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Deadstar: The three shadowy images are of the Kelston creek, while the aerial shot is of the North Shore one. Prosperosity (talk) 04:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest 'Wairau Creek (North Shore)' and 'Wairau Creek (West Auckland)'. Firstly, the format - isn't it more usual on Commons for disambiguators for creeks to be in parentheses rather than separated by a comma and space? I don't agree with using 'Kelston' as the disambiguator. Why use 'Kelston' and not 'Glendene', which Auckland Libraries uses, or 'Glen Eden', which is where the creek originates. Problem solved if the name for the wider area is used, with the added advantage that 'West Auckland' is more widely recognised than individual suburb names. I'm curious as to why Wairau Creek (Q112854633) in Wikidata says "in Kelston". User:Prosperosity added that (and he does good work on Auckland topics), so he might join this discussion and comment. Nurg (talk) 00:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, Nurg. We need to use parenthetical disambiguation as per WP:NCNZ. Schwede66 02:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nurg: No special reason outside of what was already discussed - that there were two separate creeks with the same name, and disambiguation had to be reasonably specific (as they were both urban streams within the same city and region). Prosperosity (talk) 04:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nurg: I'd absolutely support the label being Wairau Creek, West Auckland (the creek is at the border between Kelston and Glendene, and flows through Glen Eden). Prosperosity (talk) 04:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NATDIS favours non-parenthetical disambiguation. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schwede66 and Traumnovelle have cited English Wikipedia policy, but we are talking about Commons, and I'm not aware that it necessarily follows English WP policy. Nurg (talk) 08:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correct; Commons does its own thing. What I've quoted is relevant if someone wants to write the articles. And yes, it is known that Wikipedia:NCNZ and WP:NATDIS are are variance, with the former taking precedence for New Zealand topics (on the English Wikipedia). Schwede66 22:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not being very familiar with Auckland and needing a map to find any suburbs which aren't the very major ones - how about Wairau Creek, North Auckland and Wairau Creek, West Auckland? Otherwise if suburbs are preferred - Wairau Creek, Milford would be OK but I'd prefer Wairau Creek, Waikumete for the other one (the creek flows through the Waikumete cemetery which I can find more easily than suburbs like Kelston which, until this evening, I couldn't have guessed which part of Auckland it was in). Daveosaurus (talk) 07:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Waikumete isn't a suburb. I think most Aucklanders know where it is due to the schools located there. Also article titles and presumably Commons categories/tags should be something anyone familiar with the subject will understand. If you're not familiar with Kelston you aren't going to be familiar with some tiny creek. Traumnovelle (talk) 11:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have sorted it all out on Commons, renaming categories, making dab pages, putting the files into correct categories and finding two additional images to add to the North Shore category. Nurg (talk) 09:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all for your help and @nurg for organising! Deadstar (talk) 09:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article for Amalgamated Worker's Union[edit]

The articles Central Amalgamated Workers' Union, Northern Amalgamated Workers' Union, and Southern Amalgamated Workers' Union need to be merged into one article. I'm too busy at the moment to do it myself. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help with term 'Ngaroma' and 'Ngaroma House'[edit]

Hello, I am currently writing an article on Clark House. I have noticed government listings of the house such as Heritage New Zealand and the National Library mention the name 'Ngaroma' as another name for it. I have yet to come across these mentions in more detailed sources and aside from a very modern road the term Ngaroma is completely foreign to me. I cannot find out what the word means in Te Reo and I am unable to find any corrobating evidence for 'Ngaroma House' or Ngaroma in reference to the Hobsonville area at all aside from the road name.

I am hoping someone here familiar with Te Reo and Māori history might be able to find relevant information, I would not like to add it as a trivial 'also known as Ngaroma House without any further information. Abydocomist (talk) 20:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abydocomist: I can't find a specific source for Clark House, but in the late 19th century/early 20th century it was fashionable for Pakeha to name houses and boats with reo Māori names (usually based on a dictionary translation of a word, and not a pre-existing name). This forum post suggests that Rice Owen Clark II is the one that named the house - the post isn't a good source, but there may be a good print source out there that give more context and information.
The traditional name used by Te Kawerau ā Maki/Ngāti Whātua for Hobsonville is Te Onekiritea and the early 19th C kāinga was called Tāhinga Manu - neither of these names appear to have any connection to Ngaroma. My best guess is that Ngaroma is a reference to a prominent yacht that was in the news at the turn of the century (probably meaning ngā roma (the currents), or maybe a reference to a person's name, but without a source for either that's just conjecture). --Prosperosity (talk) 00:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a source for the claim about it being trendy/fashionable to use Te Reo names for things like boats and homes? It'd help the article if I had context for the name as otherwise it just leaves readers confused and wanting to know more. I can include the translation too, assuming that Ngaroma has no other possible translation or meaning. Abydocomist (talk) 06:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See the article in the New Zealand Potter from 1997 (pp 6–9). Paora (talk) 01:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Google brings up a number of references to it, so I think it is quite well attested and I wouldn't hesitate to include it in the article. It seems to be a name for the house, not for the area. It does appear to be just 'Ngaroma', not 'Ngaroma House'. There are other places in NZ called Ngaroma. In terms of etymology, there is no word ngaroma in Māori, but ngā roma is a fair guess, and could mean 'the channels', given the house's location on a peninsula between different channels of the upper Waitematā. I would not include the translation 'House of Love' from the New Zealand Potter article – that is dubious. Nurg (talk) 04:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am still researching but at the time I only found trivial mentions from government listings which do not provide any information about it. 'Ngaroma House' is the name of a road of a subdivision built on land part of Clark's business. Abydocomist (talk) 06:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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