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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 09:25, 27 March 2010 [1].

List of counties in Florida[edit]

List of counties in Florida (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Nominator(s): Jujutacular T · C 17:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Recently closed candidate, as the nomination had gone stale. Re-nominating as I feel it does meet criteria. All issues from previous nomination were resolved. Jujutacular T · C 17:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Not an "upside-down" L, it's an L rotated through 180 degrees (alt text).
  • " Florida became the 27th U.S. state in 1845. The last county was created in" maybe "in 1845 while its last county..."?
  • Five paras in the lead seems a little over the top (see WP:LEAD)
  • "showing the influence two hundred years of Spanish rule had on the area" - influence of 200 years of Spanish rule"?
  • "The average land area is 805 sq mi (2,085 km2) The largest county" missing some punctuation.
  • Still don't see why County has to be bold (perhaps fix the template as this goes against MOS).
  • And why are the County cells a different colour?
  • Why are the references in the table column headers on a different row? Is there a linebreak between the text and the heading?

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed all the suggestions except for the last three. The two related to the {{countyrow}} template, I have been unable to figure out how to change. I have made an inquiry to the creator of the template to see if he can make the change. As for the references being on a separate row in the column headers, this is done by the {{Countytabletop}} template. I removed the linebreaks as suggested, but the result was very undesirable – looking very disorganized. You're welcome to try the change yourself and see the effect it has on the county lists. Jujutacular T · C 00:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okeydokey, the templates aren't your problem. Thanks for trying anyway. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I like it, but a few things that caught my eye. Are there 2009 Census estimates for the counties? Where were the proposed counties to have been? Also, Dade County isn't really a former county, it was just re-named. Same with the rest of them. Maybe retitle that section "Renamed counties". Former county makes me think of one that once existed, but was merged with another. Otherwise looks good. --Viennaiswaiting (talk) 22:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are no 2009 estimates for counties. In 2009 they did however do an estimate for the entire state, as well as do a new estimate for the entire state for 2008. To be consistent, I think it would be best to use 2008 figures, so I've changed it to reflect the updated 2008 estimate. I also changed section title to "Renamed counties". Thank you for your suggestions. Jujutacular T · C 01:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support That makes sense, and I'd imagine you'd update for the 2010 census once available. Since that won't be for a while, I'm happy to support. --Viennaiswaiting (talk) 01:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Arsenikk (talk) 19:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments
  • Should spell out 'United States' in the first sentence (not just U.S.) and link to the country.
  • Even more critical, there is not link to 'counties of the United States' or whatever the article is called. Perhaps also add a few lines on what a county actually is. Also, add a few lines if there is any differences in jurisdiction or other things from other states (if there are any, I don't know).
  • Comma after 'Florida became the 27th U.S. state in 1845' to give the reader a natural break. Could stick in a second if you like.
  • Why is exactly Miami-Dade and Osceola used as examples of who counties are names after?
  • Stick in a sentence on the total area of Florida.
  • The statement "To distinguish from counties in other states, one must use Florida’s FIPS code, 12" should be rephrased to passive, avoiding the "one".
  • According to MOS:BOLD, the use of boldface the way it is here should not be done. Anyhow, never wikilink boldface. Emphasis is already established through a separate background color.
  • I would have thought the 'formed from' counties should also have been linked.
  • How about a short introductory text before the 'renamed' and 'proposed' to present the table, and give a short explanation for why/how counties were renamed, and the circumstances of proposals.
  • Ref 7 should have page numbers.

Arsenikk (talk) 21:29, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed most of these. The first link on the page is already County (United States), is that not what you want? I used Miami-Dade and Osceola as an etymology example as I found it to be the most interesting case: two counties named after leaders of opposing sides of the Second Seminole War. As I explained to TRM above, the bold county names in the table is done by the template {{countyrow}}. I am unsure of how to remove this bolding; however, I made an inquiry to the creator of the template to see if he could do it. I did not add introductory text before the 'renamed' section, as every piece of information about the renamings that could be found is already in the table. However, I did include an introduction to the proposed counties section. I removed Ref 7, as this was added prior to my editing of the article, and I have no access to it. It is unnecessary for the verification of the list. Jujutacular T · C 06:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The template was difficult to understand, but by replacing a ! with a pipe, the first row is no longer odd-colored, nor boldfaced. Arsenikk (talk) 19:42, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, looks great. Jujutacular T · C 19:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In case it is not clear, I am awaiting my support until either a short introductory text is placed above the "renamed counties" list, or a plausible reason to not include such a text is provided here. Arsenikk (talk) 16:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Jujutacular T · C 17:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - no issues at all from me, a nice list. Harrias (talk) 09:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:48, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "Florida's counties were originally subdivisions of the state government. Throughout its history however, county governments have grown increasingly important." The flow here is quite rocky. The first sentence says nothing about about the importance of the counties, so "Throughout its history however" seems out of place.
  • "FIPS Code"-->FIPS code, since "code" is not a proper noun. Same thing for "Proposal Date" in the proposed counties section.
  • Notes in the table that are not complete sentences should have periods (full stops) at the end, such as "James McNair Baker (1821–1892), a Confederate senator and later a judge in the fourth judicial district."
  • I assume you mean they should not have periods. I believe that was the only one. Jujutacular T · C 22:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Two counties were previously proposed in Florida's state legislature" Redundant word.
  • "but a clerk kept the bill from the governor, keeping it from creation." "kept ... keeping" repetition is clunky Dabomb87 (talk) 21:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed. Many thanks for taking a look. Jujutacular T · C 22:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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