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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 22:58, 8 April 2010 [1].

Red-capped Robin[edit]

Red-capped Robin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Nominator(s): Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured article because I think this birdy is really cute :) but seriously, errmmmm...well I have buffed it up and a few experienced editors have looked at it and offered improvements. Anyway, have at it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support
    • Are males and females the same size? I only ask because dimorphism can include size difference, but sameness is not noted.
Yes -added a sentence to confirm that Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:23, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Overall taxonomy needs work. I think all of the data is there, but it's a little too compact and some stuff is repeated.
    • The first sentence in taxonomy is quite a mouthful. Do you mean to say that the location it was collected at gave them the idea it was related to the old world fly catchers?
I reworded - it wasn't the location which influenced initial placement in Muscicapa Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:56, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Kuburi is a name from the Kimberley.[6]" - Just sort of hanging there... looking at the ref there are probably more interesting things to say along with it. Would "Kuburi is a name used in the Kimberley" make more sense?
Yes to the rewording. The ref had a folklore tale in it. I did muse on a "culture/folklore" section but this was absolutely the only material I could find in it. I will see if I still have access to the material. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:56, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • The first paragraph of taxonomy feels like it's trying to jam too much information into a small area.
    • The end of the 2nd para of taxonomy repeats the information from the first (old world fly catcher...changed taxonomoies etc).
tried rejigging both paras - how's that? Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good - One last thing - Does it make sense to put "The Australian robins were also classified for a time..." a the beginning of the 2nd para? Then all changes are listed in time order.
    • I don't understand how Pachycephalidae fits in?
transient classification - after Muscicapidae and before Petroicidae Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Would it be a good idea to repeat the infobox image in Description so that you can see a male and female in the same spot?
rather than repeat the image, I found another appopriately licenced on on flickr and added Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:25, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The male selects the nest site" ... "before the female ultimately makes the decision where to build". If she makes the decision he isn't selecting the site. Maybe just changing to "selects nesting sites" would fix it.
Good point. male selects --> male proposes Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:25, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Overall pretty good.

-Ravedave (talk) 17:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I made these changes, please check
  • small thin black bill and eyes are the eyes small and thin as well as black?
oops, missed that. fixed Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:23, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • European Robin, it is not closely related to it or the American Robin I wondered if this was Euro/US-centric, since Erithacus and Turdus both contain other birds named as robins - not a deal breaker if you're happy as is.
They were the two most notable species known as robins and are the ones which these critters were mentioned as not-being-related-to in books. Need to think about this one and think about sourcing. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:23, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy with that Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • at around a year of age or in the months following that bit clunky
Yeah, had trouble with that one when I added info. Tried "at around or just over a year of age" Casliber (talk · contribs)
deadlink removed. alttext for map added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:53, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image review all images appropriately sourced and licensed Jimfbleak - talk to me?
  • Support - declaration, member of bird project, never edited this article before fac. No further issues Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to the map the birds do not populate Kangaroo Island. If this is correct, I think this needs to be made clear in the text. Snowman (talk) 16:42, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd not thought of that. It is rare in regions of Australia next to the coast, which includes places like Kangaroo Island. I will see if a ref explicitly says "not in Kangaroo Island" although usually they just say where tehy do occur. 22:35, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
  • According to the text it is native on Flinders Island, but this is not a feature of the range map. I think that it would be worth making the map and the text consistent. Snowman (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Update - checked Higgins p. 652, which explicitly states it is absent on Kangaroo Island. However Higgins does not mention Flinders Island at all, which is odd. I will look online for this. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:49, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the Flinders Island segment for the moment, as the Higgins HANZAB book, which is pretty authoritative, does not mention it and there is nothing online. Also, it is a dryer climate bird, so its presence there would be counterintuitive. I do not have the Boles book now, and hence I suspect I might have inadvertently flipped the pages and it was a reference to the Flame, Pink or Scarlet Robins which do occur there. I can find the book in the library next wednesday or friday Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:43, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possible omission: If it is a monomorphic (without subspecies) species, then the article should say. Snowman (talk) 21:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
noted now Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:14, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Issues addressed; great article. Ucucha 12:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC) Comments. I take it you've checked through the list of sources I sent you?[reply]

I have had a good read of many of them as the author Dowling has much on his personal website. Some material I'd already encountered. I have been busy IRL. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:01, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The robin has a small black bill"—does this refer to both sexes? If so, it would be clearer to say "Both sexes have ..."
yes - good point and done Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:01, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "These are similar across mainland Australia but distinct on Rottnest Island"—you said before that there was no geographic variation other than some variation in fur color
The original source on variation didn't include voice - and does discuss voice in another part of the source, so the best I can do is reconcile it to appearance. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:01, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in southern coastal or northern parts of its range"—not sure what this means—are there some commas missing?
It means that the species is uncommon to rare in the vicinity of the coast in southern and eastern Australia. I tried " in coastal regions in the south and east of the continent," Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The long breeding season and multiple broods therein"—in Terrick Terrick? If so, you'd better combine the short paragraphs.
No, it means overall. I have had trouble figuring out the best place for this Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Odd to have both categories "Birds of Australia" and "Birds of South Australia".
Agree - I think the bird cats need some overhauling - made it state dependent for the moment. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:07, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Map has the distribution rather more restricted than the text.
Interesting - I'd assumed the Top End covered more of northern oz and into northern WA. Might have to check the deifnition of it and clarify with some more precise northern limits. I can do that in the next couple of days. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:09, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it referred to the northern one third of the Northern Territory, but may of course be wrong. Thanks for the fixes made so far. Ucucha 10:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, you're right it seems - I have added the last bit on WA, where it is absent from the Kimberley, although there have been sitings in the southernmost bits Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:05, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and images look good. I made some changes in the prose and have a few more nitpicks above, but otherwise I see no problems. Ucucha 02:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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