User talk:Oceanlovejustice
Dear Oceanlovejustice:
I saw your article about Justice Action, and you certainly have found plenty of media coverage. You may have misunderstood FoCuSandLeArN's message about notability. When Wikipedians talk about notability they mean that the subject of the article is being discussed in the media or in books or on TV by people not connected to it. Most of the citations you had were created by the group's own people, and so the article would likely have been declined as not properly sourced.
Now you have plenty of sources, but the article is rather a mess. Please move each of the sources you found next to a fact that it supports and put <ref> </ref> tags around it. I did the first one for you; the abc interviewer stated that Brett was the coordinator, so I moved it to that sentence and made a citation out of it. Use the most independent source for each fact. Also, it doesn't matter if the source is endorsing the group or not. In fact, if some of the writers write criticisms it helps to balance out the article, which shouldn't be one-sided.
Your comments should probably be removed from the article, but if you want to keep them you can move them here. The reviewers' comments will automatically be removed if the article is accepted. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:44, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
This is my first time composing an article, so I am not entirely sure how to respond to this but I disagree that the subject is not notable.
Justice Action is the oldest active prisoners rights and advocacy service in Australia and has played a significant role in human rights as well as prisoner rights issues in Australia; it is frequently quoted in the media and used frequently therein when there is need for expert comment on an issue of prisoners rights or justice within the prison system; such as deaths in custody, abuse or neglect cases - the organisation's campaigns are frequently given press coverage.
Reputable print and online media that quote Justice Action as an expert or notable source or advocate on justice issues (This list could be longer but I stopped looking, basically - they are the go to source for comment in the Australia media on human rights issues in prisons, justice issues etc.):
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/rights-group-wants-prisons-boss-inquiry-20120801-23e50.html http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s148615.htm http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1398084/how-was-tracy-lee-able-to-keep-using-drugs-in-jail/ http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2013/s3722893.htm http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3343775.htm http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3306402.htm http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/26/1040511132351.html http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/prisoners-divided-on-jail-needle-program-20111122-1v2sz.html http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mentally-ill-forced-to-pay-for-care-in-jail-20120929-26s19.html http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/jail-seeks-to-ban-smoking-inside/story-fn6bfmgc-1226368752861 http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/prisoners-will-be-banned-from-smoking-inside-lithgow-jail-in-a-trial/story-e6freuy9-1226368546865 http://www.news.com.au/national-news/nsw-act/too-much-force-used-on-nsw-inmates-report/story-fndo4bst-1226436114298 http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/mental-patient-wins-access-to-education/story-e6frfku0-1226276088578 http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/nsw-govt-unlawfully-imprisoned-kable/story-e6frfku9-1226445799578 http://www.news.com.au/tablet/dennis-fergusons-last-words-this-will-show-them/story-fnehlez2-1226548405938 http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/inner-west/advocacy-group-evicted-by-police-as-they-fight-for-facilities-within-callan-park/story-fngr8h4f-1226577213473 http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2012/12/07/3649755.htm
"Justice Action in Sydney, Australia has published a number of research papers, recently launched at an international conference in Trinidad. Government ministers, bureaucrats and leading academics in each field of research were consulted and their evidence was incorporated into the Reports." -Interview published in UK's leading prisoner newspaper on Justice Action http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=1271&;c=inside_time_down_under
Justice Action quoted in West Australian Parliament Hansard:
Justice Action is regularly invited to attend and present at conferences in Australia and overseas on issues of prisons, prisoners rights, and mental health policy:
Justice Action Paper presented at the 4th National Outlook Symposium on Crime in Australia, convened by the Australian Institute of Criminology and held in Canberra 21-22 June 2001: http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/conferences/outlook4/collinsb.pdf
Book mentioning Justice Action's campaign for prisoner voting rights: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=hY-CDFek7nAC&pg=PA305&lpg=PA305&dq=%22justice+action%22+collins&source=bl&ots=SGNcKZXAfs&sig=vGagBoRTrqzRg18HSnz7pMjI08M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=O991Ufv0D6ijigeWroHwCw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=%22justice%20action%22%20collins&f=false
Articles by Justice Action co-founder and current coordinator advocating the groups positions in national media:
http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/09/23/justice-action-why-were-standing-up-for-dennis-ferguson/ - The Justice Action campaign to secure the right of housing for Dennis Ferguson was an extremely high profile case in Australia due to the offenders notoriety as a convicted sex-offender.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/brettcollins - Article by Brett Collins, Justice Action coordinator - on prison reform in the Guardian newspaper.
Articles by reputable third-party organisation endorsing or mentioning Justice Action:
-Australian Human Rights Law Centre promoting a paper released by Justice Action on a Needle Syringe Program in ACT Prisons - the paper came after Justice Action was invited into the prison by ACT Corrective Services to conduct a consultation:
http://www.hrlc.org.au/prison-needles-risk-is-a-furphy
-NCOSS - the New South Wales Council of Social Services - The peakbody of NSW social services announces it has formed a coalition with Justice Action and other organisations:
http://www.ncoss.org.au/content/view/339/141/
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=hY-CDFek7nAC&pg=PA305&lpg=PA305&dq=%22justice+action%22+collins&source=bl&ots=SGNcKZXAfs&sig=vGagBoRTrqzRg18HSnz7pMjI08M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=O991Ufv0D6ijigeWroHwCw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=%22justice%20action%22%20collins&f=false http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/Hansard%5Chansard.nsf/0/4bddfef8569bbbd1482576ee001f166d/$FILE/A38%20S1%2020100318%20p902c-903a.pdf http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=1271&;c=inside_time_down_under http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/parlment/hanstrans.nsf/V3ByKey/LA19960620?open&refNavID=LA6_4 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/26/1040511132351.html
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FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 11:39, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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Coolboygcp (talk) 15:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)Reply to your questions[edit]
Dear Oceanlovejustice:
I am afraid that you may have misunderstood my last message. When I said that your references were created by Justice Action, I meant the original ones that you first submitted. Many of the new ones that you had added are indeed good independent sources; they just need to be organized into citations and given titles so that the article can be easily understood. I see at you know how to do this, because you have several in the article already. Look over the ones that you have found, and pick out some with good information, and add them at the appropriate spots in your article. This is a good topic that certainly should be in the encyclopedia.
One more thing; when you leave a message on a talk page, don't forget to sign your name; I had a little trouble finding you. The easiest way is to type four tildas (~) in a row; then the Wikipedia will add your signature automatically. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:52, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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—Anne Delong (talk) 02:52, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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