Talk:Quintus Pomponius Secundus

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It has came to my attention that this figure, Lucius Pomponius Secundus, lacks any sources whatsoever. I reffed the article myself but then found the ref actually referred to a Publius Pomponius Secundus.

"Thereupon, the legate Publius Pomponius sent the auxiliary Vangiones and Nemetes, supported by allied cavalry, with instructions to head off the raiders, or, if they scattered, to envelop and surprise them..." etc.

All information in this entry is actually referring to this Publius P. Secundus and not Lucius.

All information in this entry has been duplicated from the life of Publius and as I cannot find any info on a Lucius P. Secundus, (and the fact that this article was created without any refs or sources), it is clear that this entry is a mistaken identity case that has slipped through the net. Gaius Octavius Princeps (talk) 05:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scratch that. It appears that this Lucius Secundus is the brother of Publius, this may be why the info has became entwined. Publius is the one who defeated the Chatti and received honours, Lucius is only recorded as his brother. Therefore removed all info pertaining to Publius' actions that were previously given as being Lucius's. Left the bare facts, he was Publius' brother and that he was suspected under Tiberius because of Sejanus connection.Gaius Octavius Princeps (talk) 05:56, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tacitus makes clear that the brother of Publius Pomponius Secundus was named Quintus. In some manuscripts, Lucius seems to be given in place of Publius, but not in place of Quintus. None of the primary sources seem to identify Quintus as Lucius. I think I may have figured out how this confusion happened, though. The Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology does a good job of distinguishing the two Secundi (although based on the sources, I think that Quintus was consul suffectus in A.D. 41, while Publius was not; as Cassius Dio suggested, Publius might have been consul suffectus in A.D. 30, the year before the downfall of Sejanus). However, under Lucius Pomponius Flaccus, consul in A.D. 17, it includes details from the military career of Publius Pomponius Secundus, cited to the same passages in Tacitus. Tacitus doesn't give the cognomen of Lucius Pomponius, so it was natural that he might be confused with the Pomponii Secundi. P Aculeius (talk) 01:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So that means my deletion of a German campaign by one of the brothers Pomponii Secundi was correct. (The chronology -- to be governor of Germany, one had to be consul first -- prevented either brother from being identical with a Lucius Pomponius.)

One detail that needs to be added to this article was that in the confusion following Caligula's assassination Q. Pomponius & his colleague were rallying the Senate into action. Amongst their actions was a proposal to accuse Caligula of various misdeeds, & even to oppose the elevation of Claudius to Emperor. The Senate's opposition collapsed when the urban cohorts, who had been supporting the Senate, deserted them to support Claudius. The senators then went to the Praetorian Camp to honor the new emperor; the soldiers wanted to lynch Pomponius, but Claudius intervened & even allowed Pomponius & Sentius Saturninus to continue as consuls. (Josephus, Antiquities, XIX.17-271) I hadn't been able to figure out how to integrate this information, especially since I'm reading Josephus' account second-hand. -- llywrch (talk) 16:08, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]