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Background/context section[edit]

An interesting topic. May I suggest a "Background/context" section, introducing French separatism broadly and the history of Provençal nationalism. Although you wouldn't need to go back as far as, say, Hugh of Arles :) you could also be clearer from the start as to their ideology; it is rather left to the reader, at the moment, to try and work out whether they are left- or right-wing (yes, of course "National liberation" is generally left, but bear in mind that your non-French readers (I.e. most of them!) will instinctively associatiate a French national front of any kind with, well, you can probably guess. Some meat on the ideological bone would be an enhancement.

Even a small expansion such as that would add another 200 words or so. serial ^# 09:43, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh hey SN, yes it's an interesting topic. Sadly there is not a lot of sources to support this article nor they're in English. About the background section, I first wanted to see how many sources I can find to expand it to at least B. And yes, I believe if I could add some background info it'd be ready to upgrade it to a higher level. About the ideology, I couldn't find any info about what their ideology or ideologies is/are the only thing what I know is that they want independence and are suspected racists. Of course I always could have a look at the French NLFP's article to find more stuff. The only sources it has are these [1], [2], [3] and [4]; I don't believe these are reliable and can't be used in the article if you find a source or more who can explain to us what their ideologies are, I'd be really grateful. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 13:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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"The just established security zone was soon after disestablished." Does "just established" mean established since 6:49 that morning, or since that January?

The sources don't say when but I assume it was meant to be the morning of the attack.

"Both men have been detained after 24 hours." Do you mean 'Both men were released after 24 hours.'?

Yeah, they indeed were released.

"suspected racist tags" It was suspected that the tags were racist? Or suspected that they were left by the NLFP?

I thought I read "suspected" but looks like it was my imagination maybe because, one source earlier mentioned that not all the tags were claimed by the group so I maybe assumed it was not confirmed at the moment but that's not the case.

Could we have a translation of "Dehors les barbus nique leurs mères"?

@Gog the Mild: that's very rude indeed...but I suspect you know that already! 😉 serial ^# 10:10, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Serial Number 54129, "Thou shalt not censor Wikipedia". You know my rhetorical questioning style too well. Yes, I was trying to suggest that something like 'and the vulgar slogan "Dehors les barbus nique leurs mères"' might be needed.

You possibly know that I have access to high level French translation. I got a thesis level essay when I asked for a translation of Lancaster's indenture with Edward III and a 40 minute lecture on the possible nuances of "si guerre soit, et a faire le bien q'il poet" in 14th-century English legal, court French. They are used to being asked to translate random snippits from or for Wikipedia, but I think nearly wet themselves when I passed on this one with a straight face. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You see when I wrote that I wanted to add the translation too but I was afraid my translation was wrong or so. That's the reason why I didn't add it even though I know someone is gonna ask that to me. When I translate it I get "Outside the bearded men fuck their mothers" which is supported by both Google Translate and my fellow Dutch Vertalen.nu; I assume that's the real translation. I also thought first it was written in Occitan or its dialect Provençal.

"do not refer a priority of a popular structured group" I don't understand what this means.

It was meant to be a "priori" instead of "priority"; I guess I got confused by them.

OK. So does the source state that the police did assume that it was the work of the FLNP; or that they didn't automatically assume this?

Gog the Mild (talk) 04:43, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gog. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As previously stated, I would endorse Cereals recommendation to add at least some ideological background - currently the whole business seems to spring out of nowhere. And I note that the first paragraph of the text is not covered by the main text. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]