Talk:Juneau-class cruiser

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Juneau class successor[edit]

Unfortunately, the Worcester class of 6-inch light cruisers was NOT the successor to the Juneau class of 5-inch cruisers, the CL-154 class was. The guns of the two classes had different ballistics and rates of fire and served (or were to serve) somewhat different purposes. Their hull lines and displacements were significantly different. About the only things they shared was a general machinery arrangement and the word 'light' in their classification, which was the consequence of an arms treaty. This is well documented in Friedman's 1984 U.S. Cruisers: An Illustrated Design History; this book should be considered authoritative and should supersede any reference that claims otherwise.Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 13:03, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious: Overweight issues[edit]

Current text reads:

The ships had the same main armament as Oakland, but the bridge and superstructure were redesigned to remove weight and increase visibility, and the reduction in weight allowed increased antiaircraft guns to be added with increased stability.

The last three words 'with increased stability' implies that the Juneau design was fully successful in this regard. It was not. While it was an improvement over the Atlanta-class and Oakland-subclass, Friedman documents on pages 367-369 of his U.S. Cruisers: An Illustrated Design History (1984) that in the spring of 1944 BuShips reported to the General Board that the Juneau-class was already overweight prior to launching despite every effort to reduce it. This goal was not fully achieved, the degree of success in the goal was negated by the increased antiaircraft weaponry weight, and so it would be more accurate to leave out these three words.Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 13:09, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A better revision might be: The ships had the same main armament as Oakland, but the bridge and superstructure were redesigned to remove weight and increase visibility and stability, and the reduction in weight allowed increased antiaircraft guns to be added; however, the weight of this additional armament negated the redesign's weight saving and stability goals.Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 13:33, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]