Talk:Jamie Bryson

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Notability[edit]

The article is bloated given the notability of the subject. I'll try and trim some of the gristle but the article as whole isn't up to standard and appears to have been written with the intention of promoting the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Heseltin (talk • contribs) 21:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've reinstated the information which you cut; it is all referenced (for some reason you also removed references for some information you left in), and much of it was widely reported (for example, his acting as the mascot for the football team). I have no idea what could be seen as promotional of the subject - according to articles, he's embarrassed about having been the football mascot. This is not a long article, and there's no reason to remove material sourced to reliable references which is clearly relevant to the subject. If there's something in particular which you feel is "not up to standard" or "promotional", please discuss it here - these are clearly not true of the article in general. Warofdreams talk 01:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Michael as an editor who has written over 50 articles about personalities and events of the Northern Ireland conflict, I am familiar with the notability required for articles relating to The Troubles and beyond the GFA. I vehemently disagree with your description that it is bloated and not up to standard. It contains sourced information pertinent to Bryson's standing as a leader of the flag protests, is written from a NPOV and does not contain grammatical errors. As Warofdreams has asked, why not give specifics rather than making a sweeping statement of dismissal for the entire page.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:27, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced claims[edit]

This article needs to be closely monitored for editors and IPs adding unsourced claims which are potentially libelous such as the last insertion.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And for shite sources masquerading as decent. Facebook, twitter and tumblr, I ask you. Keresaspa (talk) 03:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tumblr? That's a new one.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 22:17, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It'll be "my mate down the pub" as a source for this one next :D Keresaspa (talk) 03:29, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article rewrite[edit]

I read this article to inform myself about Jamie Bryson and I feel it is really low quality: recentism, lots of dubious sources, most importantly does not quickly tell me what Bryson is famous for (I suspect loyalis/flag protest). I will try to axe trivia/unsourced bits, if someone has a good article that sketches the life of JB, please share it Ffaffff (talk) 22:37, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You claim to have axed 'unsourced bits'. However, the pieces which you removed had citations to the News Letter, the Belfast Telegraph and the Irish News - the three main daily newspapers circulating in Northern Ireland. I have therefore reinstated the material which you deleted. Please discuss here rather than deleting it again. Alekksandr (talk) 13:04, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have also deleted the sentence "In 2020 it was announced the investigating PS I officer in the case was to be prosecuted for Misconduct in public office for her role in the case which Bryson is appealing on the basis of the investigating officer now facing criminal charges." as it lacks any citation. Alekksandr (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I do claim they are unencyclopedic. With your revert a person who does not live in Northern Ireland is likely to not understand what the Belfast City Flag protest is or what the role of Bryson was in it. There is absolutely no way the "Football" section is meant to be on wikipedia; the page returned to a poutpourri of trivia, speculations -- some borderine libelous, like «Bryson has been publicly linked in Northern Irish media to the UVF» -- quotes from his blog which is not an all clear. WP:INDISCRIMINATE for God's sake! The lead ("The lead is the first thing most people will read upon arriving at an article, and may be the only portion of the article that they read. It gives the basics in a nutshell and cultivates interest in reading on—though not by teasing the reader or hinting at what follows. It should be written in a clear, accessible style with a neutral point of view." MOS:LEAD) is in expecially sorry state: I have reread that three times and still do not understand what Bryson is/has done.

So yeah, my edit was in good faith, was not just deleting useless info but reworking it to make it more accessible to people who do not live in Northern Ireland (like me!), I believe it shold be restored and info being added from there because it is frankly better. If you tell me which info I should add to what my original edit was, I will gladly do it. Ffaffff (talk) 10:43, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will add that I believe that 90% of our misunderstanding could be solved if we both agree on the answer to this question: «What is Bryson notable for?». I am really not sure to be honest, and in my previous edit settled for "mainly known for the BCH flag protests", but I could be wrong. Ffaffff (talk) 10:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article rewrite/II[edit]

I went again for an article rewrite (adding new material and being WP:BOLD). Here is [the old article]. My rationale:

the lead is WP:LIBEL. Not matter how many weasel words we use ("has been publicly linked", by whom?), being close and personal with a proscribed organisation is — of course — a crime and is denied by the person himself. Without a guilty verdict it is classic "contentious material" as per WP:BLP.
Who the hell cares that "An Irish Times article in 2019 described Bryson as a "remarkably dangerous peaceful person"?
Who the hell cares that "In response to Bryson running for the European elections, the creators of parody social network site LAD started to raise money in a crowd-funding campaign for a fictional rival candidate to Bryson (a gorilla called Koko).[40] The crowd-funding campaign for Koko raised more money (£410) than Bryson raised through his fund-raising.[41]"
Who the hell cares about the career of an amateur footballer in a secondary league?
Who the hell cares about "n December 2013 the Sunday World and Sunday Life printed photos of Bryson claiming Jobseeker's Allowance before going to work at a taxi office."
I could go on for ages, because the article is a goldmine for WP:INDISCRIMINATE.
I think the lead should focus on "flag protest" [because that is what JB is known for].

If you think I axed too much (which is possible, e.g. re his coaching career) please engage here and I will readd the material. Please do not readd WP:LIBEL or WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Ffaffff (talk) 00:33, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Alekksandr: I have slightly modified your edit (my main gripe being "linked to": by whom? What does it mean specifically?). I have left his comments defending the UVF and added a sourc. If you feel my edit are not enough readd the info (or not) and engage here. I believe it is just a matter of wording and that can be settled in a few messages. Ffaffff (talk) 21:45, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate[edit]

He was born on 4 January 1990 but the article doesn't mention this Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:24, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]