Talk:Ingush people/Archive 1

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Oldest people on the planet?

"It is now confirmed that Ingush together with Chechens and Batsbi are the oldest people on the planet. Current linguistic and DNA analysis revealed that around 10,000 BC they inhabited the territories of Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Iran, and Iraq. (Source: Science Journal 19 May 2000, Vol288 No.5469 p.1158)"

Are we meant to take this seriously? How on earth can there be any sensible definition of what is the "oldest people on the planet?" How can linguistic analysis say anything about events 12000 years ago? Does anyone know anything about this "Science Journal" which is supposed to be the source of this? The claim looks like rubbish to me. --Barend 16:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Childish interpretation. Deleted until clarification. `'mikka 19:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

"However, much of Ingushetia's territory had been settled by Ossetians and part of the region had been transferred to North Ossetia. The returning Ingush faced considerable animosity from the Ossetians. Violence flared in late October 1992, when tens of thousands of Ingush were forced from their homes in the Prigorodny District of North Ossetia."

What the h#@l is that? The author of this rubbish should be punished! Where are the proof and evidence of the alleged Ossetian violence against Ingush people? --User:Taamu 19:21 (UTC), 9 February 2007

Please read the Wikipedia rules before editing/questioning. The sources provided previously are verified; new edits are made. Barend Science Journal is a highly reliable source of information a.k.a. American Association for the Advancement of Science AAAS. mikka, Taamu please follow the neutrality guidelines do not use offensive language. Thank you, Rudi.

I fully agree with you, Rudi. But it is the encyclopedia, so we have to provide truthful and reliable information. -- "The returning Ingush faced considerable animosity from the Ossetians. Violence flared in late October 1992, when tens of thousands of Ingush were forced from their homes in the Prigorodny District of North Ossetia." -- Both Ossetians and Ingush have their own vision of the problem. But here we have only Ingush point of view. This passage is based on an ideological source. And it is not neutral. -- User:Taamu 17:13 (UTC), 10 February 2007

User:Taamu I understand that you are an Ossetian and I understand how you feel about the topic. However, I did some research on Ossetians and Ingush and the information is correct. I don’t think University of California, Berkeley represents Ingush point of view. I know they are following the US educational guidelines. FYI also view the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetian-Ingush_conflict. It will help you to understand the reality of the conflict.

Thank you very much, Rudi. I guess you are not an Ingush. Apparently, you chose one way to realize the Ingush-Ossetian Conflict -- to do research basing your work on someone's thoughts, point of views, opinions, data [University of California, Berkeley]. And it's a completely different way to understand the problem being the witness of the conflict. I don't want you to change anything in the article, I just want it to include the opinions of the two sides. -- Taamu.

There are more than two sides in the conflict. There are actually six sides: the Ingush, the Ossetians, the Russians, the Chechens, the Georgians, and the Americans. Should I include their poits of view also? Thanks, Rudi.

Why not, if it helps to solve the problem or for its clear understanding, Taamu.

For an excellent work of fiction which focusses sympathetically on the plight of the Ingush people I recommend "Our Game" by John le Carré, the eminent author famous for his spy stories during the Cold War —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.110.44.122 (talk) 12:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

"related groups" info removed from infobox

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Religion

There is no such thing as "sunnism". The article corrected.Ingushetia (talk) 04:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

name

We have the endonym as Галгай. Shouldn't it be ГІалгІай? kwami (talk) 17:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Known Ingush

Ruslan Sultanovich Aushev (Ingush: Ruslan Aush-Nyakn) (born October 29, 1954 in Volodarskoye, Kazakhstan) was the president of Ingushetia from March 1993 to December 2001. He was reportedly the youngest officer in the Soviet army to reach the rank of Lieutenant General.[1] He received the Gold Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union on May 7, 1982.

After three years at the Frunze Military Academy, Aushev returned to Afghanistan in charge of a combat regiment where he was wounded on October 16, 1986. Later he ascended to the Soviet parliament where he remained for two years while serving on the Military Affairs Committee. In November 1992 Aushev was appointed to lead the provisional administration in Ingushetia, a position he resigned two months later to run in the Ingushetian presidential elections. Being the sole candidate, he won the presidency on February 28, 1993 with 99.99% of the vote,[2] and he was re-elected two years later.

During the First Chechen War as many as 200,000 refugees from Chechnya and neighboring North Ossetia strained Ingushetia's already weak economy and on several occasions, Aushev protested incursions by Russian soldiers, and even threatened to sue the Russian Ministry of Defence for damages inflicted. President Aushev said that his people could not forget how the same Russian armored columns "and the same Defense Minister" (Pavel Grachev) assisted in the destruction of Ingush settlements and the expulsion of Ingush population during the 1992 ethnic conflict in North Ossetia.[3]

He resigned in December 2001 and on May 23, 2002, Murat Zyazikov was elected president of Ingushetia under controversial circumstances. Since then the republic has become more violent.[4]

Then Aushev was elected to the Federation Council of Russia in December 1993, a position he resigned in April 2003. Aushev served as a negotiator on the second day of the Beslan school hostage crisis, convincing the hostage-takers to release 26 nursing women and their infants.

On September 30, 2008, Aushev commented, in his interview to Echo of Moscow radio, on the increasingly tense situation in Ingushetia, accusing the current authorities of excessive use of force in the republic, leading to the radicalization of the society and threatening to plunge Ingushetia into civil war. The opposition news website Ingushetia.org reported that the Kremlin-allied Ingush president Murat Zyazikov ordered the republic’s television and radio broadcasting center to block Echo of Moscow’s signal for the duration of Aushev’s appearance.[5]

[edit] See also War Veterans Committee Warriors-Internationalists Affairs Committee —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurishk (talk • contribs) 11:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

proto-Ingush

Proto-Ingush? Sorry, but the reference doesn't support this. Since Ingushetia objects to what the ref does support (the linguistic ancestors of NEC), I'm deleting the section altogether. Ingushetia, if you wish to restore it, fine, but please do so in a way that's supported by the facts. kwami (talk) 18:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Are you provoker? Scots are I-Europeans while Ingushs are Caucasian. This is one of dumbest things together with claims, that Nakhs are oldest people in the world and pyramids built by aliens. Before generating dumb theories at least read some brochures on linguistic, genealogy and history. Nakh 07:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Gargarei

Gargarei term is related to all Nakh peoples, according to P.K. Uslar, K. Miller, N.F. Yakovleff, E.I. Krupnoff, L.A. Elnickiy, I.M. Diakonoff, V.N. Gemrakeli and others. , This term is equivalent of Vainakh, it is shortened form of GergaraNakh. Meaning of which is the same. Nakh 08:45, 31 July 2010 (UTC) -Yes the word Gargar or Gergar means relative in Vainak lanuages, but it is only one tribe out of many. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ingusch (talk • contribs) 15:34, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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Kisti

The name "Kisti" wasn't specified for either Chechen or Ingush, it's a Georgian name for both people. If it's mentioned in this Wikipedia article, then the term "Nakhchoy" should be mentioned as well. Zandxo (talk) 17:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC) seek consencus here. Zandxo

Chechens were known as Chechens since the 17th Century, and only a small part of the Chechen population were still called Kists, while the Ingush people were still known as Kists until the 19th Century. Nakhchoy is only used to refer to Chechens and not Ingush, only Berzhe did so. But in the same book page 125, we see that Nakhchoy is not related to the already existing Ghalghai. Most importantly, my edit specifically says, "historically ALSO referred to as Kisti", which is accurate and does not exclude Chechens. Since on the page 'Kist People', the Ingush are completely being excluded. Readers should be informed that the Ingush were also known as Kists, otherwise the name will only refer to Pankisi Chechens, and therefore is withholding the Ingush people from their history.

--Kisteti (talk) 21:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[[User:Kisteti|Kisteti](talk) 19:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

We both were known as Chechens since atleast the 13th century. The secession of the Ingush only occured recently. The name "Kist" is a Georgian name for Nakh in general, it isn't specific for one group of people. On top of that the Kists today are 100% Chechen. How are Ingush being excluded on the Wikipedia page of Kists? It's an article about the Kists current day. And no, not only Berge did write about Ingush calling themselves Nakhchoy, watch this. Zandxo (talk) 19:01, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

The name Chechens only came to be known after the migration from the mountain tribes to the lowlands (who retreated to the mountains becaus of invaders). The clans that lived in the mountains were known by their older names, such as Ghalghai, Nashkhoi, Akki and others. Georgians used the names Dzurdzuks, Kisti, and Glighvi. So we were not known as Chechens, even in the book that you are referring to by Berzhe, on page 125 we even read that Ghalghay, Akki, Shatoi were already known. So this is not accurate. The name Chechens came later, and indeed became more known among Russians, as Ingush did later because of Kabardinians who called the Angushti people this way. But before that the name Kisti was used. Even by Russians. As for the Pankisi Chechens, indeed this is currently. And that's why with the Ingush I added the word 'HISTORICALLY ALSO referred to...'. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jayg4-I1uns --Kisteti (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

No, the name Chechen has been known since atleast the 13th century. The Mongols and Persians mentioned our ancestors. Georgians, Russian, German and French sources called us Nakhchi, based on our ethnonym. Ghalghai, Nashkhoi, Akkhi are all Teyps, they are no ethnonyms. I am a Zandkho, yet the ethnonym I use is Nokhchi/Nakhchi. The name Ingush comes from the village Angusht in which several clans (who belong to the Ingush nation today) allied with Russia in 1770. What am I supposed to do with that video? I never denied the word Kisti being referred to Ingush in the past, but as you have claimed previously you mean that the word was explicit for just Ingush and only minor for Chechens. Zandxo (talk) 19:49, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

The Mongols and the Persians could never have used the name Chechens. So this is again inacurrate. Give the source of the term Chechens being used in the 13th century? Once again you maid a wrong claim. Ghalghay is not a teip. I am of the Kokurxo teip, and my ethnonym is Ghalgai. The Georgian synonym is Ghlighvi or Ghilgho. Which is know even in the 11th Century. You seem to be very uneducated on Ingush history. Therefore it is better for you to stick to Chechen pages. --Kisteti (talk) 20:03, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Goddard2000 gave you the source. Ghalghay today is not a teyp, but back then it was something similar, compareable to Akkhi and Orstkhoy. No need to reply to the rest of that since Goddard already did. I am familiar with Ingush history, it's the same as Chechen until the 18th century. --Zandxo (talk) 21:15, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

The Mongols did mention "Sasuds" along with Asud (Alans) and Serkesuds(Circassians), this was mentioned in the "Secret history of Mongols" from the 1200s. Later on Rashid ad Din mentioned Sasani in the 1300s. The Sasani fought 3 battles against the Mongols and lost the third one, later on they are mentioned by him as joining Georgia against the Persians. Chechens are also mentioned in the 1481 as "Vilayat Chachan" in the Crimean sources. If you want a link for these sources i can post them. When did Georgians mention Ghlighvi in 11th century? earliest one i know is from 1600s by Teimuraz. Also i dont see why you think Kists historically are more Ingush than Chechen. How did you determine this? Kists were mentioned as Chechen and Ingush and sometimes separately from them. ---Goddard2000 (talk) 21:43, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Can you provide a link to this material? As for Ghlighvi, they were synonimous with Dzurdzuks (as Gligos was a grandson of Dzurdzuk in Georgian chronicles). This is to be found in Leonti Mroveli's and Vakhushti's works as well. The Land of Durdzuks, Kists and Glighvis was called Dzurdzuketi by Vakhushti. And the name Glighvi (Ghalghai in Georgian) was known in the 11th Century. See here (Dzhanashvili): https://ghalghay.com/2020/02/21/ghlighwi/ As for Kists, in many Georgians scriptures, the river Armkhi in Ingushetia is known as 'Kistinka'. The Ingush tribes were even called the "Kistetian" tribes when they came under Russian rule in the 1770's. Literally stated in the act. Therefore they became more synonimous with the term. Today they use the name Kists to refer to Pankisi Kists. A minority of the population.

--Kisteti (talk) 21:34, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

The part about Sasani i have two pdf files written by Khizriev, if you have an email adress or if you use an app like Discord i can send them to you. The Crimean Khanate source from 1481 link i have here http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/Kavkaz/VI/Dag_chron/Ist_Gireichana/text.htm. I have read a translated version of Kartlis Tskhoverba by Leonti Mroveli and nowhere were the Gligvi mentioned, even in the part about King Kvirke he wasn't mentioned as the king of Durdzuketia or Gligvi (https://archive.org/stream/kartliscxovreba_201409/Kartlis%20Cxovreba%202012%20Eng_djvu.txt). The link you posted is from a book from 1897, are you sure this is from 11 century or just an imput from Dzhanashvili? because during those times people sometimes wrote somewhat modernized names in ancient sources like one from 1850s which says a Persian King from 400s was killed in the "chechen forests".Do you have another source on this? All of Chechnya and Ingushetia were at times called "Kistetia" and some sources in 1600s mention Kists living only in 2 villages in between Tusheti and Chechen (south Chechnya). Some sources like Reiniggs from 1780s say that Kists and Chechens speak the same language and dont understand Ingush (http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/Kavkaz/XVIII/1760-1780/Reineggs/text3.htm) Chechens were called Kists just as much as Ingush.

--Goddard2000 (talk) 23:27, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the Gligvi from the 11th century link, its not from the 11th century. I found the source and the link you posted is of a translation from Vakhtushi Bagrationi in his book "Sakartvelo tskhoverba", That book was published in 1745 (https://ghalghay.com/2020/03/03/ghalghaj-5/). Vakhtushi mentioned that Kvirke was the king of Gligvi and Durdzuketia but the original Kartlis Tskhoverba from the 8th-11th century doesn't mention them.

---Goddard2000 (talk) 23:52, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

The same can then be said about the source material you sent me, yours was published in the 20th century. What you missed is that Leonti Mroveli wrote about Kavkas and Dzurdzuk. Vakhtang VI as well as Vakhushti continue on Mroveli's work and mention the Gligvi and Kisti. Specifically mentioning that Gligos is Dzurdzuks grandson, and his lands were called Glighveti. In the Georgian timeline you can place these people in the 4-5 century. This legend is even similiar to the Ingush legend about the legendary Gha (Dzurdzuks descendant) and Gha's son Ghalgha (in Georgian legend 'Gligos'). Even in Chechen folkore this legend exist (See Berzhe), where Gha is the father of Ghalgha, Ako and Shato. So claiming that Ghalghai is a teip or clan of some kind is false. Since there are very old toponyms linked to the word Ghalghai all over Ingushetia, such as Ghalghai Koshk, Ghalghai Chozh, Ghalghay Na'arge, Ghalghay Yurt (in Progorodny district and even Achkhoi Martan) and a deity existed in older times by the name 'Ghal' (Ghal-Erda). This last one existed with the Georgians as well. I've read Reiniggs, but I could als mention authors like Danilevski who claim that Ingush-Kisti-Karabulaks speak one language, and the dialect of the Chechens differs from their language. There are more than enough sources that verify that the Ingush are indeed Kists. So I do not understand why Zandxo tried to remove it several times. This is verified information.

--Kisteti (talk) 23:42, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

The source material i provided talks about the document from 1481 not about what happened in 1481. The original text of Gireyhan was first written down in 1481, although the one link i provided translates a paper that is believed to have been written in the 1800s so you are somewhat right about that. The source you provided doesn't work from a text that is from the 1000s. It just says that the King from 1000s ruled over durdzuk and gligvi, doesn't matter which year it was published. I didn't miss what Mroveli wrote, he wrote about Kavkas and his descendants Durdzuk and Chartali but in his work he never mentioned Gligvi. Vakhtushi wrote down his own chronicles in 1745 and didn't use of a source that mentioned Gligvi in 11th century, he was the one that put it in. Mroveli in his chronicles wrote that Kavkas fought the Khazars this was during the 400BC's. Did the Khazars exist then? no they didn't since they only appeared during the 700's. Does this mean we can say that the Khazars were mentioned in the 400 BC's just because Mroveli wrote about them in the 1000's?.

Also you should be careful with interpreting Chechen and Ingush legends, some "legends" say Chechens are from Arabs while others say that Ingush are a mix of Kabardins. The legend about Gha being the father of Akkhi for example can't be true since Akkhi are 95% L3 haplogroup and 5% G2a. There are many sources that mention Ghalghai as a part of the nation of Nakhchi/Nakhchoy, among them Berger, Dalgat and others. Georgian patriarch in 1310 calls the "nation of Nakhchi" among his flock and doesn't mention Ghalghai but this is another subject. I dont mind Ingush saying they have been mentioned as Kists but so have Chechens and Ingush haven't been named more or less than Chechens. Might as well argue about who has been mentioned as durdzuk the more.

---Goddard2000 (talk) 01.50, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Folklore and religion are not facts, but hold importance within the nation, especially if Georgians, Ingush and Chechens have a similar legend about Gha. Since you put it that way, same could be said about Ancient Greek authors Strabon, Zonaras, who wrote about the Ghelae of Caucasus and did not mention Nakhchi. And many authors mentioned this in their works, such as J.Klaproth, who literally wrote that the Ghelai are the Ghalghai of Caucasus. I also don't mind that the Chechens say that they were known as Kists, but I can 100% assure you that the Ingush were known more as Kists throughout history. If need be I will provide every source on Kists and Dzurdzuks. But I have a feeling you know this as well.

--Kisteti (talk) 05:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Folklore and religion that hold no weight (Ga father of Ako, Shoto and Ghalghai that have no genetic relationship in terms of paternal ancestry) should not hold importance. Also i dont see how Ga is connected only to Ghalghai, is the Ghal in the beginning of the name referring to the god Ga or the tower Ghal? Also what is it with you and trying to connect ever Gh starting name with Ghalghai? The mentioning of Nakhchi by Georgians during 1300s was 100% referred to us since the name they used was literally recorded by Russians, Germans and French during the 1800s. Look at the video Zandxo posted it gives you details on it, some respected authors like Dalgat that did a lot of work in Ingushetia even said that the Nakhchi term was so widespread there that it should be used as a common ethnonym. If you want to bring up some "gh" sounding nations mentioned by Greeks then i can literally do the same with place names like Nakhchivan, Channaxchi etc. Nakhchivan was first mentioned 800BC by the Assyrians and was referred to Urartu. Also some of the oldest Chechen manuscripts from the 1830s (recorded by Russians in 1895) called "Migration from Naxchuvan" describes how we came from there. All this while they didn't refer to any "gh" sounding nations. Also sure provide me with the Kists sources but id rather we do it somewhere else than Wikipedia talk, do you have Discord?. Its easier to post links in there.

---Goddard2000 (talk) 13.41, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

I strongly disagree that folkore and religion hold no weight. Names, ethnonym and places most often come from legends, places, a legendary ancestor, etc. This has a lot to to with culture, and even explains a lot of saying and phrases within out language. Speaking of DNA the Ghalghai cluster does have similarities with Shatoi-teip families. But I will not go on about DNA. This is another subject. About the Ghelae, it is not my claim but the claim of multiple authors from the 19th century (see: link), who make the connection with Ghelae and Ghalghai. Also I provided this info about the ancestor Gha, because this legend existed among al of us. Aside from all of this, was it not Dalgat himself who specifically wrote, that the Ingush are known as “Kusti” (Kisti), among autors Moisey Xorenskiy and Ptolemy? I believe these are even his exact words. So my point being, as I initially told Zandxo, I added that the Ingush were historically alse referred to as Kisti. Since we agree on this, then there is no misunderstanding.

--Kisteti (talk) 18:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

I didn't say that Folklore and religion hold no weight, i said folklore that can be disproven very easily holds no weight. There are folklore that say Chechens come from Arabs and Ingush come from Armenians. Yes Kxo-Kxeloy and Shatoy do share one ancestry and a y-tree branch but so do Ingush Orstho and Chechen teips, same thing with Dzeirakhoy-Allaroy, Vyappi-Chinxoy etc but if you take that folklore about gha then it proves its wrong since Akkhi dont have a paternal ancestry close to Ghalghai (only some Orstho and Tskhoro). Yes i have read about claiming Ghelae and what not but these are just based on names, there were several claims like these by many authors and they were often nothing more than a footnote. There is even a claim that Chechens come from Bohemian Czechs and even one of the most famous Georgian historians Javakhshvili said that the Chechen teip Sharoy could be the ancestors of Sarmatians and Shirvan. You can't compare Nakhchi being mentioned in 1310 to some 19th century guy that tried connecting Ghalghai and Ghelians based on small similarities in the name.

Why do you put such big importance on Ga only? there are folklores about Ingush coming from "Noxcho" like this one "2.➡︎Разделившись на двенадцать отдельных семей, сыновья Нохчэ, [90] места своего водворения назвали по своим именам, и с того времени образовались общества, известные нам и поныне: Ичкери, Аух, Чабирли, Шубути, Шато, Дзумсо, Кисти, Цори, Галаш, Галгай, Джерах и Ингуш." (http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/Kavkaz/XIX/1840-1860/Olsevskij_M_Ja_IV/text2.htm).

Dalgat proposed that the ethnonym "Nakhchoy" should be introduced into the study of Ingush-Chechens because the ethnonym was common among us back then. Read about it in the "нахчи" article of Russian wikipedia. Yeah we are going into different subjects so we should probably stop this discussion, i know Zandxo and he said that you claimed Ghalghai have more claim to the name Kists than Chechens.

---Goddard2000 (talk) 19.51, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

You keep missing the point about Gha, I did not say that this is scientifically proven. But it holds importance, and Zandxo claimed that Ghalghai is a teip, this does not make any sense, saying that would be the same as saying Noxchi or Noxchimaxkxoi is a teip. The example of Gha being a famous figure in Georgian, Ingush an Chechen folkore, is important in understanding where the component «-gha-i» in the name Ghalghai most likely derives from. And it is not just some guy who wrote about Ghelae, I have 5 more respected authors who wrote about Gelians being Ghalghai. But once again, we digressed from the initial topic. And I stand by my point, The Ingush in various sources are referred to as Kists more than Chechens. In all fairness, Chechens were too, but not as much. Plus, Zandxo already added the same edit to the Chechen page. So I’ll leave the conversation at that.

Kisteti (talk) 19:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

I understand why you mention Ga , you think the Ethnonym Ghalghai is from Ga and not "Ghal"(city). Lets just agree to disagree about the other things we were talking about or else we will drag out this whole discussion for days.

---Goddard2000 (talk) 21.22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

No, the second component ‘-ghai’ is most likely derived from Gha. The first part «ghal-» could either be from tower or fortress, or the deity ‘Ghal’. This is too old too confirm for sure. Anyways. Iа дика хийла.

Kisteti (talk) 20:41, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

The word "ghal" is the modern "qal", and with modern I mean really modern. There are tons of places in Chechnya still named after the original word, Iton Qa'lle might be the most prominent one. It doesn't mean tower, it means something like fortress but not 1:1. Ghalghay comes from Qa'ghaal, 3 fortresses/cities, which refers to Targim, Egikal (note the name of the place, EgiKAL, Egis fortress) and Khamkhi. The people from these settlements are the eponym of the ethnonym "Ghalghay". 'a dika yoila. -- Zandxo (talk) 17:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

You are mistaken, the word Ghal or Ghala means tower but can also mean fortress. Yet it is also not exlcuded that it could come from the deity ‘Ghal’ (See Ghal-Erdi). Ghalghai doesn’t come from Qa’ghaal. The word your referring to is different. Otherwise the pronounciation would be the same. If you take this view on the ethnonym Ghalghai, then you know that some authors, including Chechen authors, say that the ehtnonym Noxchi or Nakhchi derives from Noxchimaxkaxoi (Ichkerians). And is much younger than the names of Ghalghay, Nashkhoi, Akki, and others. And they claim that only the Ichkerians are true Chechens (Noxchi). This is also written in Berzhe’s book (page 135). I see what you are trying to insinuate with the references you make, but you view history from a pro-Chechen point of view, and therefore choose to believe certain sources over others. We can find all kinds of translations for names, if we choose to. We both know that Naxchi can also be translated in different ways. So let’s not digress from the initial topic. As’salamu Aleikum.

--Kisteti (talk) 19:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

The word doesn't mean tower, b'ov means tower. The whole ghal = tower, ghalghay = tower people is all made up by Soviet historians. Even the delusion fantasies about Chechens being the descendants of Noah have more weight to it. The ethnonym Nokhchi does arrive from Nokhchmakhkaroy, it's the lowland version of Nakhche. I can bring up Ingush sources that claim Ghalghay are originally Armenians which enslaved Vyappi and Tkhoroy and made them call themselves "Ghalghay". His name isn't Berzhe, it's Berge, and Berge himself wrote in the book that the Ghalghay are part of the Nakhche nation. "Ghal" coming from the god is also some pseudo historic non-sense, the word is a new word, the original word was Qal, Kal, you literally have prove to that in one of the 3 villages, Egikal. "Ghalghay" comes from "Qa-ghal" shakhar, mentioned first in a report from 1590, when they attacked 2 Russians at the Darial Gorge on the way back from Kakheti. Here by they were mentioned as Kal-kanci, same as all other sources from that time, while Nakhchi as ethnonym already appeared in 1310, in a letter from the Georgian archbishop Efimy. I'm glad that more and more Chechens are starting to invest themselves with our history to avoid and disprove delusional minds like Buzurtanov and Abadiev. wa Alaykum Assalam. -- Zandxo (talk) 21:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

You lack of understanding the Ingush or even Chechen language is showing. Ghala is tower (where people live in), v’ov is battle tower. Ingush architecture is well known in the Caucasus. Especially since mountainous Ingushetia is a whole system of towers fortifications itself, with every setllement being not further than 1-2 km from one another. There is nothing compared to it in the Caucasus. There is currently a Kabardinian fotographer named Timur Agirov who counted over 1450 towers in mountainous Ingushetia (including battle towers). You keep insisting that we called ourselves Nakhchi, then why is there not a single toponym existing by the name of Noxchi or Naxhchi in Ingushetia or even Western parts of Chechnya? That report that you refer to about the attack on Russians is nothing more than a mispronunciation of the world Ghalghai (Kolkantsi, Kalkani) in 2 sources they even write it differently. Pallas wrote НаЧхи and not НаХчи, is this a valid argument then? Stop trying to make this about Buzurtanov or Abadiev, none of what I referred to so far, has anything to do with them. New word? This word is more known among Georgians than Nakhchi. Even Vazha Pshavela wrote about Ghilgho (Ghalghai) and Kisti, not mentioning Nakhchi or Nokhchi anywhere. You seem treatened by Ghalghai history for some reason, it does not do you any harm. Be Nakhchi, but don’t try to teach us about our history. Especially the legend you refer to about Egi. Which is not the same Egi who is one of the three sons of Elberd. Elberd was a real person, the remains of his sanctuary can still be found. Let’s not bring up nonsensical versions, just for the sake of argument, you don’t see me mentioning Laudaev’s version of the meaning of Naxchoy (cheese). I ended the conversation with Goddard, saying we would agree to disagree. I will do the same with you.

--Kisteti (talk) 02:15, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't lack of understanding the Chechen language (including the Ingush dialect), I am simply not looking at it through rose-colored glasses. B'ov is a tower, not just a battle tower. Ghal are the smaller buildings besides the towers. Ingush towers are a pile of cement compared to the ones you find in Chechnya, don't make me laugh with "nothing to compared to it". The area the ancestors of Ingush settled was way smaller, so you will obviously find fortresses build densely. On top of that the towers you find in Chechnya are more diverse and numerous (based on sources of Ingush like Chakhkiev). Why would there be a toponym after Nokhchi or Nakhchi in Ingushetia or West Chechnya? there are no toponyms after Nokhchi/Nakhchi in east either except Nokhch-Mokhk. A country usually does not have several toponyms named after it, only geographical locations. I am glad you mentioned Laudaev, in his book he says the reason why Nazranovtsy (Ghalghai) and Shatoy dont like to call themselves "Naxchi" is because of their enmity with the Chechens but during their gatherings and festivities they say "we are brothers, we are nakhchu". "Shatoevites and Nazran residents are reluctant to call themselves Naxchi, which comes from their previous hostile relations with the Chechens. But with the outpouring of heart feelings in meetings, at a party, on the way and so on. they always confirm their unanimity, expressing themselves: “We are common brothers (wai ts vezhera detsa)” or “We are the same nakhchoy (wai tsa nakhchu du)”. Kalkanci are mentioned in several sources, not just one, while Nachkhi infact is a mistake. Vasha was born nearly 300 years after the incident I have mentioned, by that time the word Ingush was already established and the Ingush started influencing other non-Qa'ghaal inhabitans of that territory such as Tskhoroy. Threatened by what history? Alans, Amazonians, Gargerans? Yes, yes, Elberd, the direct descendant of Maxim, the direct descendant of Gha, the direct descendant of Dzudrzuk, and so on, til Jared, Mahalalel, Kenan, Enos, Seth and his father Adam. I agree to disagree, time to strike down fantasies and concentrate on real history. 'a dika yoyla. -- Zandxo (talk) 02:43, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

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Your arguments are what I like to call “tukhum fever”. Trying to make make Chechens seem older or superior and calling Ingush a dialect of the Chechen language, while it is long been proven that the Ingush language, and this also noted by linguists Popov, Yakovlev as well as Gorepekin and Danilevksi, specifically stating that Ghalghay, Nashkho and Akki and Karabulak (Orstkhoy) speak one language and that the Chechen (lowland) dialect differs from the core-language, and is much younger. Very strange that you decided to acknowledge Laudaev, because he also said the Nazranovtsi mockingly call the (lowland) Chechens Nakhchiy because of their affiliation with cheese. Amazons and Gargareans (only that the word gargar exists in our language) I do not know enough about, but you are uneducated if you think we have no connection to Alan history. PS: My mother’s side is Tsoroy, you amuse me with this stuff. Goddard seemed more mature than you. You should let him do the talking instead of you.

--Kisteti (talk) 05:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Ghalghay is a dialect of Chechen the same way Akkhi, Aukh, Chebarlo and others are. I don't believe that Ghalghay is a "tuqhum" since the word tuqum is foreign to Chechens and never existed as what Mamakaev is claiming.. Ghalghay is a teip that split from Chechens thanks to Russia and their politics. Just look at 1810 and you see the definite split. Chechens and Kabardins after fighting for over 600 years sign a peace treaty in 1809 where the Kabardins leave what is now northern Ingushetia. Chechens decide to let Ghalghay settle Nazran in exchange for them converting to Islam and pay taxes. Ghalghay first agree to this but then backstab Chechens and kill a detachment of Kabardins/Chechens that returned from a raid in Vladikavkaz. Then later Ingush join Russia and Nazran becomes Russian territory. This is a fact and is proven by letters by Russian generals like Bulgakov and Delpozzo. The Chechen literary language (or lowland) is the "newer" version, that's true. Ghalghay is more archaic and older but only because they left the mountains only in 1809 (which I talked about before) so their language stayed more true to the Lamro Language (which is always more archaic and older). However the oldest Chechen-Ingush dialect is Chebarlo, this is proven by everyone. Chebarlo is more older than Ghalghai and has the least foreign influence of all the dialects. You really should look into genetics. Clustering Ghalghay, Orstkhoy and Akkhi together just disproves everything you say, they don't cluster with Ghalghay at all. Weird that Laudaev later said that Ingush and Shatoy call themselves "Nakhchoy" then, he is not the only one either. If you want I can name every single source that calls Ingush "Nakhchi", even German and French sources. Everyone in the North Caucasus is connected to Alans but many Ingush believe they are the sole descendants even though genetically Chechens are the closest to them and Magas location was most likely in Alkhan-Kala. -- Zandxo (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

No, you are very wrong, you even said so yourself, if the Ghalghai (Ingush) language is older than the Chechen, then there is no way that Ghalghai is a dialect of Chechen, if any, it is the other way around. From what I read about the Chebarloy, is that they also lived in co-existance with Dagestanian people (Avars, Andiy), I have never heard authors writing this about Chaberloy. Most of all, authors write about Ghalghay, Akki and Nashkhoi as being the oldest communities before the migration (back) to the lowlands. However Nikolay Yakovlev did mention in a quote: "In the second half of the 16th century the migration of Ingush tribes from the mountains to the now-Chechen lowlands begins. Many mountain tribes from Nashkha, and the from the upper reaches of Argun and Chaberloy intermixed in the lowlands and came unther the influence of neighbouring lowland cultures; Russian, Kabardins, Nogay, Kumiks and Kalmiks, and this resulted in a new cultural area with new centers, in which the a new culture and language formed: Chechen." I am not clustering Ghalghay, Akki and Orstkhoy as having the same DNA, but culture and language, yes. I was actually mocking Laudaev's take, but you seem to take it more serious. How about applying logic to what he wrote? Let's recap Laudaev's words: Nazranovtsi mockingly call lowland Chechens Nakhchoy because of the connection to cheese (nakhcha). And in another quote, supposedly Nazranovtsi and Shatoi would still call themselves Nakhchoi? Even though Nazranovtsi mock this name? Strange... The only term that is well known and existed among the Ingush is Vay Nakh. A letter exists from an Ingush in early 19th century who was on military service in Odessa, we writes in arabic: There are no Nokhchi here, there are Vey Nakh". This term is more known among Loamaroi. Even Akki today still associate with this term. Others, like Melkhi for example, prefer to call themselves Melkhi and not even Vay Nakh or Nakhcho. But I don't mind, everyone has the right to associate themselves with the ethnonym they prefer. It does not affect me or Ingush history in any way. I do not believe that Ingush are the sole descendants of Alans, I agree that Chechens and Cherkessians are also connected to Alans. However the last claim you made is bold, and I cannot argue or disprove it, and neither can you. There were a lot of archeologcial findings in Ingushetia as well. But this is a long and complcated subject.

--Kisteti (talk) 00:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Since you brought up the subject, why are you ignoring the 1770 accord, where Ingush elders decided to become a part of the Russian Empire. I even have 2 sources that confirm that Nashkhoi, Akki, Yalkhory, Galay, Terloy, and also other now-Chechen tribes, took part in this event. The second accord that you mention, happened after a series of events, and I even know what source material you are referring to. Aside the fact that Shteder already wrote about the Nazrani-Ingush, in 1781, the claim you make about Chechen letting us live in Nazran is one of the most ridicilous things I read. In the source material and events that you are referring to, you seem to (purposely probably) leave out the part where Russians where complaining that the Ingush where not assisting them in stopping Chechens from raiding, and letting them pass through Ingush territory freely. HOWEVER, one time the Chechens were left empty-handed after a raid that did not go well in Vladikavkaz, and on the way back to Chechnya they killed an Ingush farmer, and stole his cattle. This lead to tension, in which the Ingush were forced to retalliate, and the Chechens back then where fortified by Kumiks and Avars. I even have a document where General Bulgakov wrote, that the Chechens invited the Kumyks to fight against the Ingush. This all led to the Ingush signing the second accord with Russia, because they were outnumbered and unarmed. This is probable also the start of the animosity between Chechens and Ingush in my opinion. Also, you cannot use one source and neglect others. The spread of Islam on the Ingush lowlands came much sooner than the 19th century. In Vakhushti's work, he wrote that the Angushti are Sunni Muslims. In the mountains paganism was still more present. Try to apply logic to certain subjects.

--Kisteti (talk) 00:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I never said that the Ghalghay (dialect) is older than the Chechen language, I said that it's older than the literary Chechen, which is the lowland version. You do realize that the lowland Chechen is descendant of highland Chechen like Galanchozh, Iton-Qel and Chebarlo dialects right? All three of those are pure Nokhchi and all three of those dialects are considered Nokhchi aka Chechen. You having no clue about Chebarlo shows your lack of knowledge, Chebarlo is btw not even near to being close to Andiy-Avar languages. They may have had more contact with them due to the political alliances between them and the Surakat Dynasty (which some believe is Chechen of Sado Teip while others think they are Suli). I'm glad you mentioned Nikolay Yakovlev because he perfectly described Ghalghay folklore in how the Ghalghay teyp killed and forced other teips like Tskhoroy (your mothers teyp) and Feppiy to obey them. Here in this verse he describes Ghalghay attitude to Feppiy "Negotiations dragged on for two years, since the Gilgai did not want to be related to the lower tribe of the Feppins, subject to them." "In the third chapter, we saw how in the mountains some Ingush clans, called “Gilgays,” began to seize power over other clans. They collected tribute from their subordinates with livestock or part of the harvest, settled slaves and captives on their land, forced them to help themselves in attacks on enemies and built military towers to further strengthen their power. Their subordinate clans could also have their subordinates and slaves.", "Little by little, wealth accumulated in the hands of the brothers and their descendants, their settlements grew, and by their names they received the names of the village: Egi-keal, Hamkhi and Tergim. In alliance with other neighboring clans of the Berkimkhoyevs, Yevloyevs and the Fert-Shouli clan, the descendants of three brothers, or the clans of the “Three villages”, with their armed hands extended their power to a number of neighboring tribes: Feppins, Akkintsy, etc.". "From here, according to old memory, the present Ingush divide all their “surnames” into 4–5 varieties. The very last class includes the descendants of “slaves of slaves,” that is, slaves belonging to those "last names", which, in turn, were subordinate to others." (<the famous Ingush caste system) - these of course would be the poor Hulkhoy, Tskhoroy and Feppi. There are a lot of interesting things he mentions in his book about Ghalghay that we can go over if you want. Again there are plenty witnesses from generals to travelers to historians etc. which literally mention how Ghalghay call themselves NAKHCHO. You can deny it all you want and come up with fairy tales about "vaynakh nation" but you can't hide the truth. Melkhi always called themselves Nakhchi, this "independent teyp nation" fantasy came up during the Soviet union, meanwhile in the 1860's you had pure Lamro like Kedi Dosov from the teyp Dishni (that's as Lamro as u can get) who wrote a book called "Naxchoyn Juz". One of the first books written by a Chechen-Ingush was written as "Naxchoyn Juz" and not "Vainakhi Juz" or "Lamroyn Juz" but Naxchoyn (the Nations). Regarding the Alans you yet again show how clueless you are. Do me a favor and go here. Alan burial from 200 AD in Beslan is related to 4 Chechens only from the teip Shuonoy. None have been connected with Ingush. The Arabic traveller Fadlan (might be someone else) wrote that the capital of Alania (Magas) was located 5 days from Sarir (Dagestan) and from Magas it takes 10 days to the Darial gate. Look at the map and tell me where this city would be, besides Alkhan-Kala is the most likely candidate for Magas. I have seen the 1770 accord and yes there are villages named "Nasakh" and others in it, even "khoy" which is bordering Dagestan. It could have been those Chechen villages or they sounded similar but these teyps fought brutal wars against Russia for 300s years which cannot be said about Ghalghay. Shteder did not write that Ingush lived in Nazran, read it again. He said that Ingush lived on the edges of the Nazran river and had no permanent settlement there. Only a couple of forts and that they would retreat to the mountains whenever their enemies came. You should read about Delpozzo's report about the Ingush, it's not some hidden report its out there for the world to see. Here is his letter: Комендант крепости Владикавказ генерал-майор Дельпоццо 13 июня 1810 года в своем письме генералу от инфантерии Булгакову пишет: «По собранным мною достоверным сведениям, следующее свидетельство является справедливо: ингушский народ хотя и имел жительство свое в окружности сей крепости не в дальнем расстоянии, но совершенно верен Российскому правительству никогда не был... потом, выйдя в теснейший союз с кабардинцами и чеченцами, пере-селились все на место именуемое Назрань, в расстояние отсель за 32 версты, приняли от них мулл, построили мечети, приступили к испове-данию Мухаммеданского закона и обязались как чеченцам, так и кабар-динцам по условию платить подати» (15, с. 70). Yes Vakhtushi wrote that Ghalghay professed Islam but back then this was on and off with Ingush and Chechens in general (except lowlanders). Also about how the battle in Nazran started, no one knows exactly how and why. There are several versions about that, which claim a fight started there because one of the inhabitants refused to pay taxes and other reports claim it was pre-planned by Ingush and Russians. Kumyks were barely part of that whole thing although Chechens and Kumyks were sometimes allies. It was mainly Chechens and Kabardins. Do you even bother reading the sources you bring up? I noticed that on the Instagram page you linked above (which I am pretty sure is yours), it took me less than 5 minutes to find the German book you quoted, and in that book it literally claims the Ingush are part of the Chechen nation on the first page. 90% of the page is you desperately trying to prove how Ingush are not Chechens. Quite embarassing, Chechen pages post their history, heroes, culture and traditions, while nearly all your posts basically go like "Look, this guy mentioned us not being Chechens". Fal otdaite. -- Zandxo (talk) 02:03, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

The Ghalghay language, same as Nashkho and Akki, already existed before the lowland dialect. I back this up with words from linguists, and you just claim it, based on what, your feeling? Pure Chechen is another interesting thing, whatever that is supposed to mean. But moving on, Yakovlev never specified who the slaves were. Many other authors, even Ossetian authors, say that the Ingush did not have slaves among themselves. L.L. Semenov actually specified on this topic, stating that the Ingush did not have slaves among their OWN. He wrote that the Ingush would gather with 10-15 riders and capture neighboring Ossetians, Chechens and Khevsurs and would ask ransom for them. This was not uncommon in the Caucasus. Semenov also added that a slave could adapt after 15-20 years, and be accepted and allowed to marry, if the Ingush accepted him as their own in their community. And the conflict between teips is also nothing new. Even Loamaroi Chechens had conflicts with the lowland Chechens. Sorry to dissappoint you, but the ethnonym Nakh+chi does not even make sense in the Ingush language as a way of a person referring to himself or his people. Vay Nakh is more accurate in the Ingush language. And yes, it was introduced by authors during time of USSR, but it already existed among the Ingush. Plus even the mention of Nakhche you guys keep referring (14th century) was mentioned first by Dzhanashvili. And when I provided a quote of the same author, were he refers to Glighvi living in the 11th century, you try to brush it away, and mention the year of the source. Guess what, both are from 1897. And Güldenstädt referred to the village Хай and not the Хой you are referring to. Get your facts straight. Shteder wrote about the Ingush living close to Nazran you say? That is not even a denial, and I will add that he specifically says Nazran is where the Ingush usually reside. Plus you make it seem like Chechens did not serve Russian generals. I'm sure you know about Ermolov, read about Kazak-Kechu, and how he sent Chechens and Cossacks who would raid Karabulaks and take their cattle. This is not some hidden information, it's out there for the world to see. I showed you a link to a video on Youtube on Kists, I never sent you an instagram link? What are you on about? Chechens this, Chechens that, Magas in Chechnya, Noah's Arc in Chechnya. Spare me. The most ironic part is that you are here on an Ingush page. What's quite embarassing is the way you have been raised based on what you wanna get from me in the end. Don't forget to wipe your mouth with toiletpaper afterwards.

--Kisteti (talk) 03:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I think I hit the right spot, the core of your problems came to light. You hate Chechens, you despise us. Your entire national identity, national feeling is build and based upon not being a Chechen. That's sad, the Russians truely achieved their mission. Of course Ghalghay, Nashkho, Akkhi, Dishni, Chebarlo etc. are older than Lowland Chechen (which is the literary language). I have said this many times, pure Chechen is Lamro Chechen and the oldest one of these is Chebarlo-Sharoy, which is also related to Batsoy. They speak in an older Chechen and use "Mork" instead of "Mohk" and Alina instead of "Ela"(Chechen) and "Enna"(Ingush). Chebarloy is one of the oldest teyps and has some of the greatest Chechen leaders like Aldam-Ghez and Adin Surkho (which Ingush love to steal). Yakovlev said that Ghalghay regarded Feppi as "Lower than them" and Feppi were their "subjects" and that the "three villages"(kxa-kxal = Ghalghay) collected tribute from them. Also Yakovlev mentioned an Ingush legend where a hero called Turpal (an Arab) came to Ingushetia and married a Georgian princess which resulted in the birth of "Ga", "Nokhchue" and "Arshto". Dont pretend like you dont know about the Ghalghay class system and the taking of slaves from Feppi, Tskhoro and Khulkho. I can bring up many other sources on this but i dont want to drag on this. Nakhchi works just as good as Vainakh except that Nakhchi was used by us as an ethnonym while Vai + Nakh is a common phrase. Dzhanashvili referred to a letter by the Georgian Archbishop which mentioned Nakhche the one you posted was a translation of Vakhtushi's description of King Kvirke from 1745. The letter of the archbishop is on the internet for you to find, literally the whole thing and all of the nations in Hereti, Caucasus Albania, Dagestan, Kakehti are mentioned and then "Nation of Nakhche". Guldenstet also referred to "Nashakh" and not Nashkha. Show me where Shteder says "Nazran is where Ingush usually reside". This is actually what he said: "Naziran is a small river that runs north-east through swamps overgrown with shrubs and reeds; it has clear water and a marshy bed, so it is impossible to cross it, except on the shallows. These difficult crossings, uplands and the Sunzha herself, who runs [213]to the west through the wooded mountains, they form here a strong narrow gorge, in which the Ingush usually keep an outpost. On the south side are the remains of another settlement of Malokabardins: tombstones, apricots and other fruit trees of their former orchards, etc. Since they destroyed the princes of their eastern neighbors, fearing persecution, they left Enderips south to this narrow gorge, where and settled on the plain between Sunzha and Kumbelei. For 50 years, due to anxieties and the large number of cattle, they moved west to the mountains on the Marmorlik River. Here they were also plundered by the highlanders, because of which they moved north of the rocky mountains, where they now live." It was only after 1810 thanks to Chechens that Ghalghai permanently settled in Nazran and this is a fact. Some Chechens did fight for Ermolov I am not denying this but more fought against him than for him. That cannot be said about Ingush since they rarely fought against Russia at all. You're right, you didn't send an instagram link, it was a YouTube link to a video of IngHeart, the instagram page of that channel posts the same things. Also, why should I use in such hard times like ours toilet paper to wipe my mouth? Toilet paper is currently a luxury, I rather would use something truely worthless, like this piece of trash -- Zandxo (talk) 16:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

You are delusional. The fact that we are even having this conversation because I added that the Ingush were also referred to as Kists, says enough. You have an issue with the Ingush, not the other way around. You do not want the Ingush to claim the history that belongs to them. It is not the Ingush who are trying to make the Chechens call themselves Ingush or Ghalghai, we don’t try to force this on you. But Chechens however are obsessed with this, that’s why you create animosity towards yourself. Ingush don’t need Chechen history, but somehow you desire to prove that all that is Ingush is actually Chechen. I even have Nixaloy relatives. You are overreaching. Bringing up topics about slaves etc. In «Сборник Сведений о Кавказских горцах, вып. 1. Тифлис 1868» it is also written that Chechens had slaves among them. Plus, taking people hostage for ransom was very common among Caucasians. The Ghalghai community was always considered the strongest, this is true. But what you seem to forget is that Fa’ppy also acknowledged themselves as Ghalghay, Ghalghay Koshk is a very known historical place in Fa’ppy territory. But you wouldn’t know, you are not Ingush. There are also many sources about the Chechens being under the influence of Kumyks and Aksay knyazi and also paying taxes. You seem to want to bring up topics that digress from the initial conversation. Just to make Ingush seem as terrible people. I could do the same, but I don’t see the point. Do you even realise that the quote from Shteder actually proves that the Ingush already were in Nazran? You even left out that he also wrote: “ «Я прошёл по берегу Сунжы через плодородные равнины и поля ингушей до самых гор.» , which once again confirms that the Ingush already inhabited the lowlands in 1781. This is not even the only source that proves it. And don’t forget the Ingush came under Russian rule when the Kabardins and a big part of the Chechen population was already under Russian rule. Chechnya was divided in Mirnie and Newavisimie. Ingush clans fought many times for the western lowlands againt Kabardins and Nogays who were often reinforced by Russian and even Ossetians. Ossetians and Kabardins have many stories about this. Plus, the biggest resistance against the Cossacks in Sunzha came from the Ingush. There many memoires from Russin generals. I’m not gonna quote all of them. I do not agree with historians like Abadiev. But a lot of what he wrote Chechens wrote themselves in the book «Чеченская Республика и Чеченцы: История и Современность». Try to read what your own historians claim as well. Rizvan Ibragimov even claimed that Ghenghis Khan was a Chechen. So it goes both ways. You’re right, don’t use toilet paper, take a shower, do namaz and cleanse yourself from the hate you hold against the Ingush. Peace be upon you.

--Kisteti (talk) 22:46, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Everything you said, I did already disprove above, I won't bother rewriting it again. I don't believe Ibragimov or any claims like that. But if Rizvan Ibragimov was Ingush and claimed Ghenghis (Ghenghis, Ghalghay) Khan was Ingush, you and the likes would believe him. As I said, your entire identity is build upon not being Chechens, it's the truth. I don't hate Ingush, I do hate your mentality, making our nation break apart. It won't happen. Peace be upon you as well, my fellow Nakhchiy. -- Zandxo (talk) 23:13, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Right back at you, my fellow Ghalghai ;) --Kisteti (talk) 23:40, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Etymology (Reliable Data)

The name Ingushetia is derived from the ancient village Angusht, which was renamed into Tarskoye and transferred to North Ossetia in 1944 after the deportation of 23 February 1944, a.k.a. operation "Lentil".

The Ingush, a nationality group indigenous to the Caucasus, mostly inhabit Ingushetia. They refer to themselves as Ghalghai (from Ingush: Ghala ("fortress" or "town") and ghai ("inhabitants" or "citizens"). The Ingush speak the Ingush language, which has a very high degree of mutual intelligibility with neighboring Chechen. The Ingush are traditionally a classless society based on a clan system and unwritten law (approximately 350 clans live in Ingushetia today). Every clan, and each clan member, are viewed as equal. Unlike the neighboring nations in the Caucasus (including Chechens), the Ingush never had social superiors or inferiors. The Ingush/Ingushetia were also known by the following names: Gelia (American cartographer J. H. Colton,Strabo]), Tschetschna (German geographers Joseph Grassl and Joseph Meyer[22]), Ghalghai/Gelgai (Self), Nakh (self, meaning "people"), Vainakh (self, meaning "our people"), Kist (Georgian), Gergar (Self), Dzurdzuk (Georgian), Ghlighvi (Georgian), Angushtini (Russian), Machaloni (Ossetian), Chechen highlanders called Ingush Makhaloni or Makhloi (according to Chechen historian Khalid Oshayev), Orstkhoi (self), Nart-Orstkhoi (self), Galash (self), Tsori (self), Dzheirakhoi (self), Khamhoi (self), Metshal (self), Fyappi (self), and Nyasareth (self). The self-namings represent different Vainakh tribes which make up the Ingush population today. The history of the Ingush is closely related to Chechens. Byzantine and Georgian missionaries partially Christianised the Ingush, although Christianity was weakened by the Mongol invasions. The remains of several churches, notably the Tkhabya-Yerd and the Albe-Yerd can be found in Ingushetia. The Ingush gradually converted to Islam throughout the 18th-19th century. Vakhushti of Kartli wrote in 1745, that the inhabitants of the village Angushti were Sunni Muslims. Kist-Dzurdzuk (talk) 18:49, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

The origin of the Ingush.

According to Leonti Mroveli, the XI-century Georgian chronicler, the word Caucasian is derived from the Vainakh ancestor Kavkas.[24] According to Professor George Anchabadze of Ilia State University "The Vainakhs are the ancient natives of the Caucasus. It is noteworthy, that according to the genealogical table drawn up by Leonti Mroveli, the legendary forefather of the Vainakhs was "Kavkas", hence the name Kavkasians, one of the ethnicons met in the ancient Georgian written sources, signifying the ancestors of the Chechens and Ingush. As appears from the above, the Vainakhs, at least by name, are presented as the most "Caucasian" people of all the Caucasians (Caucasus – Kavkas – Kavkasians) in the Georgian historical tradition."[25][26] The Soviet-Russian anthropologists and scientists N.Ya. Marr, V.V. Bounak, R.M. Munchaev, I.M Dyakonov, E.I. Krupnov and G.A. Melikashvilli wrote: "Among Ingush the Caucasian type is preserved better than among any other North Caucasian nation", Professor of anthropology V.V.Bounak "Groznenski Rabochi" 5, VII, 1935. Professor G.F.Debets recognized that Ingush Caucasian anthropologic type is the most Caucasian among Caucasians.[27] In an article in Science Magazine Bernice Wuethrich states that American linguist Dr. Johanna Nichols "has used language to connect modern people of the Caucasus region to the ancient farmers of the Fertile Crescent" and that her research suggests that "farmers of the region were proto-Nakh-Daghestanians". Nichols is quoted as stating that "The Nakh–Dagestanian languages are the closest thing we have to a direct continuation of the cultural and linguistic community that gave rise to Western civilization"[28] Kist-Dzurdzuk (talk) 18:51, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Genetics of Ingushetia's population

The Ingush have 89% of J2 Y-DNA which is the highest known frequency in the world and J2 is closely associated with the Fertile Crescent.[29]

The mitochondrial DNA of the Ingush differs from other Caucasian populations and the rest of the world. "The Caucasus populations exhibit, on average, less variability than other [World] populations for the eight Alu insertion polymorphisms analyzed here. The average heterozygosity is less than that of any other region of the world, with the exception of Sahul. Within the Caucasus, the Ingush have much lower levels of variability than any of the other populations. The Ingush also showed unusual patterns of mtDNA variation when compared with other Caucasus populations (Nasidze and Stoneking, submitted), which indicates that some feature of the Ingush population history, or of this particular sample of the Ingush, must be responsible for their different patterns of genetic variation at both mtDNA and the Alu insertion loci."[30][31] Kist-Dzurdzuk (talk) 18:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

History's

10,000–8000 BC According to Bernice Wuethrich's article "Peering Into the Past, With Words", Johanna Nichols showed that linguistic evidence indicates the ancestors of Nakh people migrated to the slopes of the Caucasus from the Fertile Crescent where farming and raising sheep and cattle had been discovered. Nichols stated: "The Nakh–Dagestanian languages are the closest thing we have to a direct continuation of the cultural and linguistic community that gave rise to Western civilisation." Anthropologist Henry Harpending of the University of Utah is impressed by her research.[32] 6000–4000 BC Neolithic era. Pottery is known to the region. Old settlements near Ali-Yurt and Magas, discovered in the modern times, revealed tools made out of stone: stone axes, polished stones, stone knives, stones with holes drilled in them, clay dishes etc. Settlements made out of clay bricks discovered in the plains. In the mountains, there were discovered settlements made out of stone surrounded by walls some of them dated back to 8000 BC.[33] 4000–3000 BC Invention of the wheel (3000 BC), horseback riding, metal works (copper, gold, silver, iron) dishes, armor, daggers, knives, arrow tips. The artifacts were found near Nasare-Cort, Muzhichi, Ja-E-Bortz (also known as Surkha-khi), Abbey-Gove (also known as Nazran or Nasare).[33] 20 BC Strabo first mentions Geli, or Galgai in his reference to a nation in the center of the Caucasus. O.W. Wahl in 1875 in his book "The Land of the Czar" page 239 mentioned "These two opinions mentioned by Strabo come after all to the same point ; for the Legi are the modern Lesghi, and the Geli the Ingush tribe Galgai, and the Keraunian Mountains are the northern ranges of the Caucasus as far as the Beshtaú."[34] The same statement about Gelia being Ingush was made by a German professor Karl Koch in 1843 in his book "Reise durch Russland nach dem kaukasischen Isthmus" page 489.[35] Jacobus Van Wijk Roelandszoon, Jacobus van Wijk (Roelandszoon) in 1821 book "Algemeen aardrijkskundig woordenboek volgens de nieuwste staatkundige veranderingen, en de laatste, beste en zekerste berigten" page 1050 also mention that Gelli or Gelad are the Ingush people which is mentioned by Zonaras.[36] 900 AD – 1200 AD the kingdom in the center of the Caucasus splits into Alania and Noble Alania (known from Russian as Царственные Аланы). German scientist Peter Simon Pallas believed that Ingush people (Kist) were the direct descendants from Alania.[37][38] 1239 AD Destruction of the Alania capital of Maghas (both names known solely from Muslim Arabs) and Alan confederacy of the Northern Caucasian highlanders, nations, and tribes by Batu Khan (a Mongol leader and a grandson of Genghis Khan) "Magas was destroyed in the beginning of 1239 by the hordes of Batu Khan. Historically Magas was located at approximately the same place on which the new capital of Ingushetia is now built" – D.V.Zayats[39] 1300 AD – 1400 AD War between the Alans, Tamerlan, Tokhtamysh, and the Battle of the Terek River. The Alan tribes build fortresses, castles, and defense walls locking the mountains from the invaders. Part of the lowland tribes occupied by Mongols. The insurgency against Mongols begins. "One map of the area during the Mongol period gives us a clue why there was not much written about the Vainakh— as the area of Chechnya-Ingushetia on that map is simply marked as ‘‘ungovernable.’’ This is not surprising, as the majority of armies moving north or south would be interested in passing through the mountains and getting to their ultimate destinations as quickly as possible— leaving the peoples between the two passes relatively unmolested.” – Schaefer, Robert W. “Insurgency in Chechnya and the North Caucasus: From Gazavat to Jihad” p. 51. In 1991 the Jordanian historian Abdul-Ghani Khassan presented the photocopy from old Arabic scripts claiming that Alania was in Chechnya and Ingushetia, and the document from Alanian historian Azdin Vazzar (1395–1460) who claimed to be from Nokhcho tribe of Alania.[40][41] 1558 AD Russian conquest of the Caucasus. 1558 Temryuk of Kabarda sends his emissaries to Moscow requesting help against Ingush tribes from Ivan the Terrible. Ivan the Terrible marries Temryuk's daughter Maria Temryukovna the Circassian (Kabardin) tsaritsa. Alliance formed to gain the ground in the central Caucasus for the expanding Tsardom of Russia against stubborn Vainakh defenders.[42] 1562 AD Joint Russian, Kabardian, and Nogay forces attack Ingush. According to Russian sources 164 Ingush settlements were completely destroyed in this war. Lowland Ingushetia occupied by Russia and their Kabardian allies.[43] 1700s After several attempts to gain the access of strategic Darial Gorge, Russian forces lose the battle near village Angusht. Hence the tribe which lived in the village and the nation as a whole is nicknamed Ingush.[citation needed]

Ingushetia in Caucasian War and part of Terek Cossacks Okrug

In XVIII century Ingush were mostly pagan and Christian with some Muslim minority. Beginning 1588 some Chechen societies joined Russia (ru) (ru). In 1785 Chechen leader Sheikh Mansur starts the rebellion against Russia. He gathers his Chechen and Dagestani forces and because of the fear of looting of his own villages from his standing army he orders the attack against Ingush Karabulak settlements. However, the Ingush defeated Mansur and he is forced to retreat.[44] Russian historians claim that the Ingush volunteered to become a part of Russia. This conclusion is based mostly on the document signed on 13 June 1810, by General-Major Delpotso and representatives of 2 Ingush clans. Other clans resisted the Russian conquest. In 1811 Russian envoy of a German origin Moritz von Engelhardt at czar's request visited mountainous Ingushetia and offered Ingush people to join Russia promising many benefits from czar. The representative of the Ingush people rejected the proposal with the reply: "Above my hat I see only sky". This encounter later will be used by Goethe in his "Freisinn"[45] On June 29, 1832, Russian baron Rozen reported in letter No.42 to count Chernishev that "on the 23rd of this month I exterminated eight Ghalghai (Ingush) villages. On the 24th I exterminated nine more villages near Targim." By November 12, 1836 (letter no.560, he was claiming that highlanders of Dzheirkah, Kist, and Ghalghai had been temporarily conquered.[46] In 1829 Imam Shamil starts the rebellion against Russia. He conquers Dagestan, Chechnya and then attacks Ingushetia hoping to convert Ingush people into Islam thus gaining strategic ally. Ingush defeated Imam Shamil forces then and later in 1858 when he tried again two more times to capture Ingushetia. Locked in warfare with two strong opponents and their allies, Ingush forces were decimated. According to Russian officer Fedor Tornau who fought the Ingush with the aid of Ossetian allies, at most Ingush had only six hundred warriors.[47] However, the Russian conquest in Ingushetia was extremely difficult and the Russian forces began to rely on the method of colonization: extermination of the local population and repopulation of the area with Cossack and Ossetian loyalists. Colonization of Ingush land by Russians and Ossetians started in the middle of the 19th century. Russian General Evdokimov and Ossetian colonel Kundukhov in 'Opis no. 436' "gladly reported" that "the result of colonization of Ingush land was successful":

Ingush village Ghazhien-Yurt was renamed to Stanitsa Assinovskaya in 1847. Ingush village Ebarg-Yurt was renamed to Stanitsa Troitskaya in 1847. Ingush town Dibir-Ghala was renamed to Stanitsa Sleptsovskaya in 1847. Ingush village Magomet-Khite was renamed to Stanitsa Voznesenskaya in 1847. Ingush village Akhi-Yurt was renamed to Stanitsa Sunzhenskaya in 1859. Ingush village Ongusht was renamed to Stanitsa Tarskaya in 1859. Ingush town Ildir-Ghala was renamed to Stanitsa Karabulakskaya in 1859. Ingush village Alkhaste was renamed to Stanitsa Feldmarshalskaya in 1860. Ingush village Tauzen-Yurt was renamed to Stanitsa Vorontsov-Dashkov in 1861. Ingush village Sholkhi was renamed to Khutor Tarski in 1867.[48] After multiple losses of Imam Shamil at the end of Caucasian War, Russians and Chechens unify their forces. Former Chechen rebels and their men join Russian ranks. 03 November 1858 General Evdokimov ordered (order N1896) a former rebel commander naib Saib-Dulla Gekhinski (Saadulla Ospanov) of Chechnya to attack and destroy Ingush settlements near Assa and Fortanga rivers: Dattikh, Meredzhi, Aseri, Shagot-Koch and others.[49] After the losses, the remaining Ingush clans resorted mostly to underground resistance.[50] The Russians built the fortress Vladikavkaz ("ruler of the Caucasus") on the place of Ingush village of Zaur.[51][52][53][54][55][56][57][58][59] Russian General Aleksey Petrovich Yermolov wrote in a letter to the Tsar of Russia, "It would be a grave mistake for Russia to alienate such a militaristic nation as the Ingush." He suggested the separation of the Ingush and Chechens in order for Russia to win the war in the Caucasus. In another letter from General Ermolov to Lanski (dated 12 January 1827) on the impossibility of forceful Christianization of the Ingush, Yermolov wrote: "This nation, the most courageous and militaristic among all the highlanders, cannot be allowed to be alienated..." The last organized rebellion (the so-called "Nazran insurrection") in Ingushetia occurred in 1858 when 5,000 Ingush started a fight but lost to superior Russian forces. The rebellion signaled the end of the First Russo-Caucasian War. In the same year, the Russian Tsar encouraged the emigration of Ingush and Chechens to Turkey and the Middle East by claiming that "Muslims need to live under Muslim rulers". It seems that he wanted to liberate the land for Ossetians and Cossacks.[50] Some Ingush became exiled to deserted territory in the Middle East where many of them died. The remainder were assimilated. It was estimated that 80% of the Ingush left Ingushetia for the Middle East in 1865.[60][61]

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, the Soviets promised the Ingush that the villages and towns annexed during the colonization would be returned to the Ingush. Ingushetia becomes a major battleground between the old archenemies: general Denikin and Ingush resistance fighters. In his memoirs, general Denikin writes: "Ingush people are the least numerous, most welded, and strongly martial organization. They were, in essence, the supreme arbiter of the North Caucasus. The moral of the appearance was defined long ago in Russian text-books of geography, "the chief occupation – animal husbandry and robbery ..." The last one of the two reached special art in the society. Political aspirations came from the same trend. The Ingush are mercenaries of the Soviet regime, they support it but don’t let the spread of it in their province. At the same time, they tried to strike up relations with Turkey and sought the assistance from the Turks from Elisavetpol, and Germany – from Tiflis. In August, when the Cossacks and Ossetians captured Vladikavkaz, the Ingush intervened and saved the Soviet Board of Commissioners of Terek, but sacked the city and captured the state bank and mint. They robbed all the neighbors: the Cossacks and Ossetians in the name of “correcting historical errors” for a shortage of land, the Bolsheviks – in return for their services, Vladikavkaz citizens – for their helplessness, and the Kabardins – just out of habit. They were hated by everyone, and they did their “craft” in unison, well organized, in a big way, becoming the richest tribe in the Caucasus.”[62]

Ingush village Ghazhien-Yurt was renamed to Stanitsa Assinovskaya in 1847. Ingush village Ebarg-Yurt was renamed to Stanitsa Troitskaya in 1847. Ingush town Dibir-Ghala was renamed to Stanitsa Sleptsovskaya in 1847. Ingush village Magomet-Khite was renamed to Stanitsa Voznesenskaya in 1847. Ingush village Akhi-Yurt was renamed to Stanitsa Sunzhenskaya in 1859. Ingush village Ongusht was renamed to Stanitsa Tarskaya in 1859. Ingush town Ildir-Ghala was renamed to Stanitsa Karabulakskaya in 1859. Ingush village Alkhaste was renamed to Stanitsa Feldmarshalskaya in 1860. Ingush village Tauzen-Yurt was renamed to Stanitsa Vorontsov-Dashkov in 1861. Ingush village Sholkhi was renamed to Khutor Tarski in 1867.[48]

After multiple losses of Imam Shamil at the end of Caucasian War, Russians and Chechens unify their forces. Former Chechen rebels and their men join Russian ranks. 03 November 1858 General Evdokimov ordered (order N1896) a former rebel commander naib Saib-Dulla Gekhinski (Saadulla Ospanov) of Chechnya to attack and destroy Ingush settlements near Assa and Fortanga rivers: Dattikh, Meredzhi, Aseri, Shagot-Koch and others.[49] After the losses, the remaining Ingush clans resorted mostly to underground resistance.[50] The Russians built the fortress Vladikavkaz ("ruler of the Caucasus") on the place of Ingush village of Zaur.[51][52][53][54][55][56][57][58][59] Russian General Aleksey Petrovich Yermolov wrote in a letter to the Tsar of Russia, "It would be a grave mistake for Russia to alienate such a militaristic nation as the Ingush." He suggested the separation of the Ingush and Chechens in order for Russia to win the war in the Caucasus. In another letter from General Ermolov to Lanski (dated 12 January 1827) on the impossibility of forceful Christianization of the Ingush, Yermolov wrote: "This nation, the most courageous and militaristic among all the highlanders, cannot be allowed to be alienated..." The last organized rebellion (the so-called "Nazran insurrection") in Ingushetia occurred in 1858 when 5,000 Ingush started a fight but lost to superior Russian forces. The rebellion signaled the end of the First Russo-Caucasian War. In the same year, the Russian Tsar encouraged the emigration of Ingush and Chechens to Turkey and the Middle East by claiming that "Muslims need to live under Muslim rulers". It seems that he wanted to liberate the land for Ossetians and Cossacks.[50] Some Ingush became exiled to deserted territory in the Middle East where many of them died. The remainder were assimilated. It was estimated that 80% of the Ingush left Ingushetia for the Middle East in 1865.[60][61]

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, the Soviets promised the Ingush that the villages and towns annexed during the colonization would be returned to the Ingush. Ingushetia becomes a major battleground between the old archenemies: general Denikin and Ingush resistance fighters. In his memoirs, general Denikin writes: "Ingush people are the least numerous, most welded, and strongly martial organization. They were, in essence, the supreme arbiter of the North Caucasus. The moral of the appearance was defined long ago in Russian text-books of geography, "the chief occupation – animal husbandry and robbery ..." The last one of the two reached special art in the society. Political aspirations came from the same trend. The Ingush are mercenaries of the Soviet regime, they support it but don’t let the spread of it in their province. At the same time, they tried to strike up relations with Turkey and sought the assistance from the Turks from Elisavetpol, and Germany – from Tiflis. In August, when the Cossacks and Ossetians captured Vladikavkaz, the Ingush intervened and saved the Soviet Board of Commissioners of Terek, but sacked the city and captured the state bank and mint. They robbed all the neighbors: the Cossacks and Ossetians in the name of “correcting historical errors” for a shortage of land, the Bolsheviks – in return for their services, Vladikavkaz citizens – for their helplessness, and the Kabardins – just out of habit. They were hated by everyone, and they did their “craft” in unison, well organized, in a big way, becoming the richest tribe in the Caucasus.”[62]

Ingushetia at part of the Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus Edit On December 21, 1917 Ingushetia, Chechnya, and Dagestan declared independence from Russia and formed a single state called the "United Mountain Dwellers of the North Caucasus" (also known as Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus), which was recognized by Central Powers (Germany, Austro-Hungary and Turkey), Georgia, and Azerbaijan (which declared their independence from Russia in 1918) as an independent state.[63] For example, Anna Zelkina writes that in May 1918 the first country to recognize independence was Turkey:[64]

The First Congress of the North Caucasus formed a Provisional Government of the North Caucasian Free State (SeveroKavkazskoye Svobodnoye Gosudarstvo) and in May 1918 declared the establishment of the North Caucasian Republic. The only country to recognize it was Turkey.

Later Germany and others followed the recognition. According to P. Kosok:[65]

Azerbaidzhan and Armenia (May 28, 1918). All three states then concluded independent treaties with Turkey, which similarly acknowledged the independence of the Northern Caucasus and concluded a treaty of friendship with it on June 8, 1918. An exchange of diplomatic notes then took place between the head of the German Extraordinary Delegation, General von Lossov, and the North Caucasian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Bammat, resulting in the de facto recognition by Germany of the independence of the Northern Caucasus.

According to British War Office, Germans tried to establish the military base in Ingushetia.[66][67] ...the German Command with the object of securing the presence of German regiments within Ingush territory. The Ingushi declare that all attempts of any foreign armed force to enter into the Terek region will be regarded by the Ingushi as an attack upon themselves, and the Ingushi will oppose all their forces to such attempts.

The capital of the new state was moved to Temir-Khan-Shura (Dagestan).[68][69][70] The first prime minister of the state was elected Tapa Chermoyev, a Chechen prominent statesman; the second prime minister was Ingush statesman Vassan-Girey Dzhabagiev who also was the author of the Constitution of the land in 1917. In 1920 he was reelected for a third term. In 1921 Russians attacked and occupied the country and forcefully merged it with the Soviet state. The Caucasian war for independence continued and the government went into exile.[71]

Ingushetia as Part of Chechen-Ingush ASSR Edit Cossack General Andrei Shkuro in his book writes:[72]

Ingushetia was the most unanimous and entirely Bolshevik. Ever since the conquest of the Caucasus, the brave and freedom-loving Ingush, who were desperately defending their independence, were partly exterminated and partly driven into barren mountains. The Terek Cossacks were settled on the fertile lands that had belonged to them, and Cossacks founded their villages on the wedge that had cut into Ingushetia. Deprived of the opportunity to earn their bread in an honest way, the Ingush lived by robbery and raids on the Cossack lands. Even in peacetime, the Terek Cossacks bordering Ingush did not go to the field without rifles. Not a day went by without shooting and bloodshed. Considering the Cossacks as oppressors, and the Cossack lands were still theirs, the Ingush mercilessly took revenge on them. The relationship was created completely irreconcilable; further cohabitation was unthinkable. It was necessary either to exterminate the Ingush completely, or to evict the Cossacks from the former Ingush lands, returning those to their former owners. The Bolsheviks, after their occupation of the North Caucasus, convened a congress of representatives of the Ingush and Cossacks of four Terek villages in Vladikavkaz, ordered the latter to move out within a month.

As part of the decossackization campaign a large number of Terek cossacks were deported and their land confiscated in 1920-21.[73] The Sunzha Cossack District (ru), established in 1920 partially on the territory of modern Ingushetia was dissolved in 1929.[74] The Soviets confiscated the remaining Ingush properties by collectivization and dekulakization[75] and unified Chechnya and Ingushetia into Chechen-Ingush ASSR. During World War II Ingush youth were drafted into the Russian army. In August 1942 Nazi German forces captured half of the North Caucasus within thirty-three days moving from Rostov-On-Don to Mozdok 560 km or almost 17 km per day (see Battle of the Caucasus). From Mozdok to Malgobek same thirty three days, 20 km the German forces moved roughly 600 meters per day and were stopped only at Ordzhonikidze (modern-day Vladikavkaz) and Malgobek which were mostly populated by Ingush before the genocide of 23 February 1944. The fighting for the Malgobek was so intense that the small town was captured and recaptured four times until the Germans finally retreated. According to the Soviet military newspaper Red Star, after receiving the news about German brutality toward civilians in Kabardino-Balkaria, Ingush people declare Jihad(Gazavat) against Germans. Stalin planned the expansion of the USSR in the south through Turkey. Muslim Chechens and Ingush could become a threat to the expansion.[76] In February 1944 near the end of World War II, Russian Army and NKVD units flooded the Chechen-Ingush ASSR. The maneuvers were disguised as military exercises of the southern district.

During the World War II, in 1942 German forces entered the North Caucasus. For three weeks Germans captured over half of the North Caucasus. They were only stopped at two Chechen-Ingush cities: Malgobek and Ordzhonikidze (a.k.a. "Vladikavkaz") by heroic resistance of natives of Chechen-Ingush ASSR.[77] Russian propaganda portrayed Chechens and Ingush as "traitors". On 23 February 1944 Ingush and Chechens were falsely accused of collaborating with the Nazis operation code name Lentil starts and the entire Ingush and Chechen populations were deported to Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Siberia on the orders of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin while the majority of their men were fighting on the front. The initial phase of the deportation was carried out on United States-supplied Studebaker trucks specifically modified with three submachine gun nest compartments above the deported to prevent escapes. American historian Norman Naimark writes: Troops assembled villagers and townspeople, loaded them onto trucks – many deportees remembered that they were Studebakers, fresh from Lend-Lease deliveries over the Iranian border – and delivered them at previously designated railheads. …Those who could not be moved were shot. …[A] few fighters aside, the entire Chechen and Ingush nations, 496,460 people, were deported from their homeland.[78]

The deportees were gathered on the railroad stations and during the second phase transferred to the cattle railroad carts. Up to 30% of the population perished during the journey or in the first year of the exile.[79][80][81] The Prague Watchdog claims that "in the early years of their exile about half of the Chechens and Ingush died from hunger, cold and disease".[82] The deportation was classified by the European Parliament in 2004 as genocide.[83] After the deportation Ingush resistance against Russia rises again. Those who escaped the deportation, shepherds who were high in the mountains during the deportation combine forces and form rebel groups which constantly attack Russian forces in Ingushetia. Major rebel groups were led by Akhmed Khuchbarov, Tsitskiev brothers, and Ingush woman-sniper Laisat Baisarova. The last one of the male Ingush rebels was killed in 1977 by the KGB officers, while the female sniper Laisat Baisarova was never captured or killed.[84] American professor Johanna Nichols, who specializes in Chechen and Ingush philology, provided the theory behind the deportation: In 1944 the nationalities themselves were abolished and their lands resettled when the Chechen and Ingush, together with the Karachay-Balkar, Crimean Tatars, and other nationalities were deported en masse to Kazakhstan and Siberia, losing at least one-quarter and perhaps half of their population in transit. (The reason, never clarified, seems to have been Stalin's wish to clear all Muslims from the main invasion routes in a contemplated attack on Turkey.)[85]

Ethnic cleansing of 1992 Edit However, ethnic tensions in North Ossetia which were orchestrated by Ossetian nationalists (per Helsinki Human Right Watch), led to an outbreak of violence in the Ossetian–Ingush conflict in October–November 1992, when another ethnic cleansing of the Ingush population started.[88] According to media reports, Ingush hostages were held in 1992 in Beslan high school gymnasium. The hostages were all kept in the same gymnasium, and deprived of food and water; at least one newborn, and several dozen male Ingush hostages were executed.[89][90][91][92] (In a possible retaliation in 2004, Chechen and Ingush militants took over 500 Osset hostages in Beslan high-school. It was the same building where ossetian militants had held hundreds of Ingush hostages in 1992). Over 60,000 Ingush civilians were forced from their homes in the Prigorodny District of North Ossetia.[50] As a result of the conflict, pro-Russian general Ruslan Aushev, a decorated war hero from the War in Afghanistan, was appointed by the Russian government as the first president of Ingushetia to stop the spread of the conflict. Partial stability returned under his rule.

First and Second Chechen Wars Edit In 1994, when the First Chechen War started, the number of refugees in Ingushetia from both conflicts doubled. According to the UN, for every citizen of Ingushetia, one refugee arrived from Ossetia or Chechnya. This influx was very problematic for the economy, which collapsed after Aushev's success. The second Russo-Chechen war which started in 1999 brought more refugees (at some point there was one refugee for every Ingush citizen: 240,000 from Chechnya plus 60,000 from North Ossetia at the peak in 2000) and misery to Ingushetia. In 2001, Aushev was forced to leave his presidency and was succeeded by Murat Zyazikov, a former KGB general. The situation worsened under his rule. Many young Ingush men were abducted by Russian and Ossetian death squads.[93][94][95][96] according to Human rights watchdogs Memorial[97] and Mashr.[98] The Ingush mountains are closed for Ingush nationals.[99] The number of rebel attacks in Ingushetia rose, especially after the number of Russian security forces was tripled. For example, according to a Russian news agency a murder of an ethnic-Russian school teacher in Ingushetia was committed by two ethnic-Russian and ethnic-Ossetian soldiers; Issa Merzhoev the Ingush Police detective who solved the crime was shot at and killed by "unknown" assailants shortly after he had identified the murderer.[100] At least four people were injured when a vehicle exploded on 24 March 2008. An upsurge in violence in these months targeted local police officers and security forces. In January 2008, the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation launched a "counter-terrorism" operation in Ingushetia after receiving information that insurgents had been preparing a series of attacks.[101] In the beginning of August 2008, the war between Georgia and South Ossetia broke out, in which the Russian Federation subsequently became involved.[102] After the outbreak of the war, there were virtually no more attacks or abductions of Ingush civilians by "unknown" forces. Most of the Russian forces were transferred to North and South Ossetia[103] 31 August 2008 Magomed Yevloyev, the head of Ingush opposition and the owner of the website ingushetiya.ru, was killed by Russian security forces[104] Shortly before the unrecognised opposition group People's Parliament of Ingushetia Mekhk-Kkhel called for the recognition of the Russian semi-autonomous republic's independence, opposition activist Magomed Khazbiyev proclaimed, "We must ask Europe or America to separate us from Russia."[105][106]

On October 18, 2008, a Russian military convoy came under grenade attack and machine gun fire near Nazran. Official Russian reports of the ambush, which has been blamed on local Muslim separatists, said two soldiers were killed and at least seven injured. Reports from Ingush opposition sources suggested as many as forty to fifty Russian soldiers were killed.[107][108]

On October 30, 2008, Zyazikov was dismissed from his office (he himself claimed he resigned voluntarily). On the next day, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov was nominated by Dmitry Medvedev and approved as President by the People's Assembly of Ingushetia (later the title President was renamed to Head). This move was endorsed by major Russian political parties and by the Ingush opposition.[109][110] Under the current rule of Yevkurov, Ingushetia seems much calmer, showing some semblance of the Russian government. Attacks on policemen have fallen by 40% and abductions by 80%.[111] Kist-Dzurdzuk (talk) 19:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2021

Please remove this article. It's all about falsifying the history of ancient nation of Ingush in favor of Chechen tribes that appeared in the Caucasus just 250 years ago as a mixture of Avars, Kumyks, Cossaks, Noghay tribes with Ingush tribes that migrated to the East in the 16th century. Chechens are dreaming of creating a Chechen empire so they need to steal Ingush history and to chechenize the Ingush. Chechens are a baby nation. Veinakh (talk) 17:31, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Please see the policy on neutral point of view. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:01, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism by sockpuppets

Hello @Acroterion, I saw that you locked the article end of March. There is currently another, what looks to me like, sockpuppet trying to start an edit-war while vandalising this article. Could you please have a look on it. Thank you. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 23:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Request to delete an article

This article is led by a Chechen user, and he deliberately keeps silent about many moments in the history of the Ingush, moreover, in the "religion" section, he attributed to the Ingush a phallic cult that did not exist among them, taking an unknown and incompetent author as a source. Kist-Dzurdzuk (talk) 22:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

As a native Ingush msyelf, I came across this page today, and I have to agree, that user User:Reiner Gavriel, appears to pe purposely vandalising 'the Ingush people' article. As we can see on his talk page User_talk:Reiner_Gavriel, others have filed complaints against the edits of this user on the 'Ingush people' article. It would be wise to remove the article, or refrain User:Reiner Gavriel from editing this page, because this article provides alot of incorrect information about the Ingush nation, which goes against Wikipedia's guidelines. --Valarkho (talk) 21:42, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

This article has a few issues

Notwithstanding the troll who vandalized the article repeatedly out of frustration since he probably felt insulted, this article is fairly mediocre and does not seem to be properly sourced.

The religion section alone made me wince, what does the statue look like if it exists? Why is there no photograph accompanying the article? The only result I got from looking up "Kok in Ingushetia" was the Wikipedia article, not a single picture relevant to the matter. Why is the one and unique citation a book? This by itself is an issue because it is not possible to read what is contained inside, as opposed to web news, unless you have a copy of that book. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 13:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

And how exactly is this article mediocre and not properly sourced? The sources are from reliable Ingush and Russian historians such as Markovin and Krupnov. There is nothing to wince at here, many cultures had their own depictions of Phalluses. Of course you won't find anything when you google "Kok in Ingushetia", you should try searching for it in Cyrillic. Regarding your concern about the lack of a photograph of the statue, it is sadly most likely demolished by now. You can find more information on the statue by searching for it in Cyrillic. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 14:26, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

First of, calm down with that passive-aggressiveness. Second of, I do not type in Cyrillic and since we are on the English Wikipedia, all the information available should be accessible to English readers . If the statue did exist at one point you should be able to snatch a photograph of it on the net and post it on Wikipedia under a fair use label. I am well aware that some cultures have phallic statues, in fact, Islam has a metal ornament resembling a vulva that is used to see the black stone, and that was not what I was arguing about when I made that comment, the way this article reads right now seems completely fictitious for the two reasons being: 1. There is no picture of the statue, which should come off as a red flag since all subjects discussed on the site have clear displays of what those subjects are, say the article on Barack Obama has a photograph of Barack Obama. 2. The only source is a book, that is not available online for free reading, this makes researching the topic in question difficult. I would say this is not enough for your article in terms of verifiability, especially with accessibility in mind. At the very least, provide a second source (Translated in ENGLISH) and a photograph for the religion section and I will not say anything else regarding this article. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 14:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

I apologize if I came over as <passive-aggressive>. The absolute majority of sources used in articles related to the Ingush and other Caucasian nations and their customs and history are in Russian, which is logical since these people have been living under Russian rule for hundreds of years, and were isolated from the Anglosphere world, especially back then. If these articles were build only on English sources they would be merely fragment of what it is currently. I have already answered to the rest of your criticism above. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

If the content in the article is notable, it should be possible for you to add an English source and a picture of the statue. Joseph Stalin has many written articles of him in Russian, but also in English because he is a very important political figure. The information does not have to be complete either, but just a singular source that cannot be verified as it is neither in English nor available for public consumption raises my eyebrows although it might be technically sufficient for verifiability. I am opting to add a template on the article if nothing is done to answer my concern. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 12:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Disregard that, I read the article again today and it has everything it needs, you should have told me that you have made changes to it instead of arguing. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 15:14, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

As a native Ingush msyelf, I came across this page today, and was very dissappointed reading this article. I hope that it's not the case, but it does appear that user User:Reiner Gavriel is purposely vandalising 'the Ingush people' article, adding specific Phallic symbols, of all of the hundreds of other pagan symbols found in the Caucasus, it does seem odd that he chose this one, insignuating some sort of fetish towards Phallic symbols. It is obviously added as a joke. And we can see on his talk page here:User_talk:Reiner_Gavriel, there have been multiple request from various users to stop vandalising this page. This article provides alot of incorrect information about the Ingush nation, which goes against Wikipedia's guidelines. --Valarkho (talk) 21:54, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't want to accuse you of something but you <coming across this page today> sounds doubtful to me since you have edited a handful of related articles. Also the timing of your criticism seems odd to me since it is shortly after another vandalistic sockpuppet got blocked. I don't see the point you are trying to make, you first confirm that the Phallus cult was indeed part of the Ingush Pagan beliefs but then attack me and claim I added it as a <joke>. I read about it in several books and it was a very dominant part of the Ingush nation, so important that people even practised it long after having converted to Islam, while most other Pagan rituals were already abandoned. Please refrain from obscure claims such as that I have <insignuating some sort of fetish towards Phallic symbols>. The moderators have confirmed that a big part of the <various users> are one person using sockpuppets to do harm. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 23:39, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

@Valarkho Yeah, but no. All the complaints came from the same user via multiple socks and from my POV you seem like the troll I mentioned earlier in my own comment on the talkpage based on your contributions. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 15:10, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

@MarioSuperstar I think Wikipedia's administration should really look into this matter. Cause it seems that everyone who corrects User:Reiner Gavriel edits is being accused of sucketpuppetry. I have seen multiple publications on various Ingush forums in different social media websites, where the problem of this page has been brought up in the past, because this the main page about the Ingush nation English. There was a youtube video uploaded about this not so long ago (see youtube.com/watch?v=qJYyuBF-aQY) to shed light on the matter. And the information on this article keeps digressing.

Also, only out of curiosity did I check the edit history on this page, because I noticed that the article was semi-protected a couple of days ago. This is when I noticed the edit war, and was curious to see if the matter was resolved in the talk page. I am not trolling anybody, just concerned about the information provided on tis article, cause it concerns my people. And since it seems that User:Reiner Gavriel is constantly engaged in edit wars on this article, because of the information he adds, I checked his talk page, and I would suggest you pay attention at the last section of the talk page of User_talk:Reiner_Gavriel, where he states that he does not known the Russian language. Yet, on this page he keeps mentioning and adding out of context quotes and references to books that are solely published in Russian. :@MarioSuperstar, this is quite strange, don't you agree? --Valarkho (talk) 23:04, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Constant edit-warring

@User:Reiner Gavriel keeps engaging in edit wars with every user on this page. Please refrain from accusations and provide valid arguments or reasons for reverting all edits, instead of claiming that "your version is the only correct one" (see edit history: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ingush_people&action=history)

Totally agree he is a troll and a vandalizer. Didn't provide any good reference. The references he provided are lies. He claims he doesn't speak Russian yet makes false statements from Russian scientists Krupnov's "Stednevekovaya Ingushetiya" and Yakovlev's "Ingushi". Too bad for him, I've read both books, done research on Ingush and Chechen with Dr.Johanna Nichols. Kavkas (talk) 14:30, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

This section was created to seek consensus. --Valarkho (talk) 22:24, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Is this some kind of a joke? You should check "View history" and see who is engaging in an edit-war, who has removed and basically butchered the entire article. You can't simply remove everything and remake the article according to your wishes, this is not how it works. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I imoproved information on this article, and actually, altered it and fixed grammar here and there, also expanded some parts. Plus you seem to keep adding a picture of a phallic statue, in the section 'Religion'. This is odd, considering the fact that you itentionally left out all the main deities and elements of Pagan as well as Christian religion, such as Dala, Gal-Yerdi, Tusholi, Sela, etc. Plus, there was never a Tusholi shrine in the village Kok. Russian researchers mispelled Kok, which was supposed to be Kog (with a 'g'), located near Leymi, in fact this shrine is still preserved in Kog. link The high-mountainous village of Kok (Kek) is near the border of Georgia, and not related to the Khamkhi community, as Krupnov states. Also, there never was a shrine there, nor anyting of the kind. That is just to illustrate how uninformed you are. Though it is obvious why you left out all the key parts of Ingush religion and focused on a penis-shaped statue for this perticular section. Also, looking at the edit section, you are constantly involved in edit-wars. This is not a monopoly. Claiming that your version is the only "correct version" is not how it works. --Valarkho (talk) 23:25, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Фальсификация информации.

Данная статься специально редактируется чеченскими пользователями, наглым образом скрывая и удаляя многие источники, и самым наглейшим образом выставить Ингушский народ всего лишь обществом! Kist-Dzurdzuk (talk) 00:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I've noticed that. Chechen editors do trash the page after 2018 land swap deal. No doubt it is a form of genocide by trying to erase or lay claims on Ingush people's culture, language, history etc. Kavkas (talk) 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

This new text is painful to read

It is a heap of walls of text and since it is extended protected I can't fix any of this. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 23:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

False information and propaganda against Chechen nation

This entire page is butchered, a lot of false information and clear bias and hatred towards Chechens. Someone’s clearly trying to divide Chechen and Ingush nations, causing animosity between them. Franklin Benjamin 123 (talk) 18:43, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2021

The population figure for the Ingush is not valid nor does it correspond to available (outdated) sources. 104.172.225.189 (talk) 19:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 April 2022

Change "According to the German scientist Peter Pallas who visited the Caucasus the Ingush are known as Loamaro, Kisti, Ghalghai, Ingush." to "According to the German scientist Peter Pallas who visited the Caucasus, the Ingush are known as Loamaro, Kisti, Ghalghai, and Ingush." ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 05:10, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:41, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Typo

Since the article is locked, perhaps someone who has access would correct a typo: toward the end of the section on character, "in this manned, he" should be "in this manner, he..." I have checked the source quoted and it is correct in the source, so it's a typo. Whaledancer (talk) 14:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 August 2022

Hello, I would like a portrait of one of the famous people from the Ingush people to be present on this article as a "representative of the nation"

Portrait: Sulumbek Abrek.jpg

Article: https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BA_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghalghai'Wiki'Editor (talk • contribs) 20:22, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 September 2022

Ich möchte weitere Informationen hinzufügen, der Artikel sieht ziemlich leer aus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niyskho (talk • contribs) 23:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 September 2022

Change "Ghalghai" to "Ghalghaj". Due to the established Latin version of the alphabet from 1934 (April) by the regional executive committee of the CIASSR. Only this is the real and legitimate version of writing on latin (roman). At the same time, the phonetics of pronunciation is unchanged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.242.9.25 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HouseBlaster^talk 18:40, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Fake insult

• Fake insult Chechens in the article!!! need to fix Drmies, Goddard2000 . — Товболатов (talk) 19:39, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Where is there an insult to the Chechens here? Stop your slander, you are a proven virtual. Niyskho (talk) 12:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

• Russian Wikipedia

1) Niyskho

2) Kist-Dzurdzuk

3) User:Ghalghai'Wiki'Editor

• English Wikipedia.

1) User:Niyskho 1

2 User contributions for Niyskho

3) User:Kist-Dzurdzuk

4) User:Ghalghai'Wiki'Editor — Товболатов (talk) 13:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

4) User:Dzurdzuketi --Товболатов (talk) 17:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You even account have not changed. Sockpuppetry they just blocked you, you just came here — Товболатов (talk) 14:15, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You, with the help of slander, and simply due to obvious coincidences, managed to block me.

You have several accounts that you use:

1)Товболатов

2)Takhirgeran Umar

3)Russian viki

You do not even try to hide this fact, you yourself accuse everyone around of violating the rules, and you yourself are a proven virtual, however, colleagues are already resolving the issue at your expense. Niyskho (talk)

You blame users because of their same nicknames, it's just ridiculous, nicknames like "Dzurdzuk" are common among people of Ingush nationality. Niyskho (talk) 18:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Russian and English Wikipedia are completely different, if I was blocked in Russian (besides because of your slander), this does not mean that I can be blocked here, since here I do not violate and have not violated any rules. Niyskho (talk) 18:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Problems with the page

It seems like there’s a lot of problems in this page and nobody has done anything about it. First of all, it doesn’t look like the page is following the neutral point of view as it seems to be biased against Chechen people. The whole page seems as if it was written by Ingush nationalist who has hatred against Chechens. There are a lot of grammar mistakes as well. Sources and references don’t seem reliable either. If anyone wants to discuss the issue with me you’re more than welcome. Franklin Benjamin 123 (talk) 17:11, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there are a lot of problems like you mentioned. When it comes to sources, though, it would be better to look at them case by case and not remove them all at once. Ayıntaplı (talk) 17:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree, I was just replacing the information with the previous version which was better in my opinion. I’m not gonna change anything on this page from now on, but there’s a lot of problems with this page and that’s all I’m saying. I hope someone fixes it in the future. Franklin Benjamin 123 (talk) 18:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you. If it's a previous version, you can revert to that version. I apologize if I misjudged. Ayıntaplı (talk) 18:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Just the same, it was the Chechen nationalists who changed the article in their own way, the Ingush users only corrected the article and deleted all the Chechen lies. You are a vandal and a provocateur! This article will remain as it is at the moment, do not go into Ingush articles! Niyskho (talk) 16:10, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Your previous version was unreliable and filled with very dubious sources. Niyskho (talk) 16:12, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Niyskho you are blocked Russian Wikipedia (blocking bypass) vandalism! Товболатов (talk) 19:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Ghalghai'Wiki'Editor and Niyskho one man!!! Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry.--Товболатов (talk) 07:07, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You slandered me in the Russian Wikipedia, and now you want to slander me in the English one? Do not forget that you are a virtual that edits from different accounts. Niyskho (talk) 12:31, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Administration, pay attention to this person under the nickname "tovbalotov", he is a proven virtual who will introduce his kind of activity in the Russian and English Wikipedia. At the same time, insulting people on their national basis, he is an extremely dubious person. Niyskho (talk) 12:37, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Niyskho you are a puppeteer that's why you got banned. See here 1, 2, 3, 4, 5— it's all accounts which administrators blocked the Russian Wikipedia. Similar to his names and here. Niyskho, User:Kist-Dzurdzuk, User:Ghalghai'Wiki'Editor. Товболатов (talk) 16:11, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You have slandered many people in this way, you are a virtual, how funny it is to read this from you. And I have never insulted users with obscenities.

Niyskho (talk) 18:04, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 January 2023

Hello, follow the article please, the user "rainy gavriel" is still adding vandal edits and deleting useful information. Please return the article to the Stable version, and remove the right to edit this article from this user, thanks! here Ingush Orsthoy (talk) 07:47, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: content dispute. Colonestarrice (talk) 09:37, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Check out the article.

Extraordinary Writ, Please deal with Vandalism in this article please, a certain user under the nickname "Rainy Gavriel" destroys the sources. Adam-Yourist, Ingush Orsthoy (talk) 18:54, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

• TimothyBlue, Your rollback to the stable version has also been cancelled, please fix the vandal edits. Ingush Orsthoy (talk) 07:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

• • WikiEditor1234567123 You will also help protect the article from Vandalism, attract admins. Ingush Orsthoy (talk) 18:12, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Ymblanter, You previously edited this article, pay attention to the latest vandal edits. Ingush Orsthoy (talk) 20:12, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

But it seems to me that this Tovbolatov and you are one and the same person who are engaged in vandalism spoiling Ingush articles and dragging in their fabulous ethnonyms "Nakhchi" "Nokhchi", the Ingush never called themselves that, stop spoiling this article, your vandal edits are rolled back and power users, you should be denied the ability to edit this article. Ingush Orsthoy (talk) 18:26, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Reiner Gavriel confirm it here otherwise I alone prove it.--Товболатов (talk) 18:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Same arguments, same articles vandalised and same rhetoric. It seems obvious to me, but I can't "prove" it. Hopefully the mods will notice and confirm it. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 18:32, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Reiner Gavriel It needs to be written there, everyone is silent, he does what he wants in the articles. With their Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dzurdzuketi --Товболатов (talk) 18:35, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

“They do what they want”, this phrase refers to your colleague in vandalism, you add nonsense, and you call people who want to correct these nonsense “vandals”, experienced admins will soon have to correct all your falsification in these articles. Ingush Orsthoy (talk) 18:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Reiner Gavriel apparently the same person, he made accounts from a wide range of IP addresses in reserve. Administrators should have blocked the entire range of addresses.--Товболатов (talk) 18:48, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Spicy Dear CheckUser, check these two accounts, I gave a request, but he still has many accounts WikiEditor1234567123 Ingush Orsthoy and .--Товболатов (talk) 18:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Goddard2000 tell me your opinion on this account Ingush Orsthoy.--Товболатов (talk) 19:36, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Товболатов he is engaging in edit wars, i have told him to stop but he continues Goddard2000 (talk) 19:59, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Goddard2000, This person Tovbalotov and his colleague in falsification Gavriel are engaged in falsification in the Ingush articles, and they call everyone who tries to correct their mistakes vandals. Ingush Orsthoy (talk) 20:03, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

• It looks like this is one of the blocked participants. Circle lock.--Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I mean that (Ingush Orsthoy) perhaps one of the blocked users.--Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 22:05, 10 January 2023 (UTC)