Talk:Ibrahim of the Ottoman Empire

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There must be some mistake[edit]

The last sentence of this article states that Ibrahim I was deposed and murdered Italic textalong with his motherItalic text and a few others, in a coup led by the Grand Mufti. However, his mother Kosem Sultan succeeded him as ruler, according to the article on her, by serving as regent for his grandson. She could not have been killed by the Grand Mufti as the articles on her and Ibrahim's concubine Turhan Hatice state that it was Hatice who killed her. Is it possible Ibrahim was deposed by the Grand Mufti, but killed by his concubine at the same time as his mother? The article on Kosem Sultan does not state that she deposed him, so I will now edit the article to say simply that he was deposed in a coup led by the Grand Mufti.Amyzex 15:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another problem[edit]

The article on Kosem Sultan seems to indicate that at least two of Ibrahim's concubines outlived him. Chances are the story about the harem was apocryphal, made up by the Grand Mufti or even Ibrahim's mother to justify the coup. We should get a historian of the Ottoman Empire involved in this discussion, but in the meantime I'm going to edit.Amyzex 15:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He drowned all of his harem except his favorites, Sechir Para and Turhan Hadice. The rest had weighted sacks tied to their feet and were thrown in the sea. Onse survived because teh bag came undone and was picked up by a french merchantman.--67.175.86.191 (talk) 08:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name of article[edit]

Should this article not be called something like Ibrahim of the Ottoman Empire? Was there an Ibrahim II? PatGallacher 18:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no other Ibrahim in Ottoman dynasty. But I think the reason of calling him Ibrahim I is to bypass the disambiguation page of other people with the same name. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 05:42, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Fully agreed. I will move this article to Ibrahim of the Ottoman Empire. Any objections? Enozkan (talk) 03:24, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I believe this is quite an irregular naming scheme as of 2019. Perhaps Ibrahim, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire? AllenY99 (talk) 05:27, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Arrage"[edit]

This word is used twice in the article. What does it mean? It is not English, and I can't find anything useful by merely Googling it. 142.68.236.28 (talk) 06:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Madness" and "Obese Women"[edit]

I have deleted the sections whereby Sultan Ibrahim I is described as being "mad" as all historians have come to the agreement that this was certainly not the case, but instead were false claims made the leaders of the coup in order to make their actions acceptable. The is no reference for him being "mad", hence deleted. Also the section about obese women has been deleted as again no proof no reference and totally irrelevant User:Katibi —Preceding undated comment added 16:25, 6 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]

The "consensus" of historians on Ibrahim's mental health is not a consensus and highly problematic because it is framed in a pro-Ottoman historical revision movement currently in the majority in Turkey. Western scholars are much less in agreement on the subject, and even in Turkey common knowledge is still oriented towards this version. Much more useful to present a plurality of PoVs rather than a subjective selection of historical versions. Sira Aspera (talk) 17:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Name of city[edit]

See Names of Istanbul. The city was usually known as Istanbul to Turkish speakers all along. It is true that it was normally known as Constantinople to English speakers for a long time after this, and that it was only when the Turkish authorities started insisting on foreigners calling it Istanbul that it changed in normal English usage. However it would now strike most English speakers as incongruous to describe it as Constantinople after the Turkish conquest. PatGallacher (talk) 15:44, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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