Talk:Gerry McGeough

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My version is grammatically and factually accurate. There was no reason for it to be rv with NO EXPLANATION!!

This is borderline vandalism. 216.194.1.32 13:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi mate, it looks to me like you deleted referenced material without explanation. Lets talk about your edit here, what exactly is you problem with that section? slan!--Vintagekits 14:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For later - [1] Weggie 13:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 16:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article makes no mention of McGeough's time as a history teacher in Dublin schools around 2003

Tim Pat Coogan's book[edit]

I'd like to add the following to the main page and any help/discussion would be appreciated.--Pamela Somers (talk) 18:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In Tim Pat Coogan's book The IRA (Harper/Collins, 2000), [[2]] he describes how Gerry McGeough was beaten by RUC interrogators at Cookstown barracks, Co. Tyrone in 1977. He also mentions that Gerry was deported from Britain following a brief visit to London in 1978 where he was arrested and interrogated for a full week before deportation, for no other reason than suspicion that he was an Irish Republican sympathizer.

Could you provide a more complete citation? Book number, etc. Someguy1221 (talk) 00:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The book by Tim Pat Coogan is The IRA (Fully Revised and Updated), Harper/Collins Publishers London, 2000 Edition, ISBN 0 00 653155 5, page 740. Pamela Somers (talk) 02:46, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, perfect. There is no preview of the book online. Would you mind just giving a brief quote from that page? It is important in situations like this to accurately capture the author's point of view. I would hate to accidentally substitute another's. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:57, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a quote from page 740: "He was first arrested in 1977, and had his first taste of interrogation in Cookstown RUC barracks. Four RUC officers stood around him, punching him and kicking him in shifts. He didn't talk, and was eventually released. It was the first of several such experiences in different barracks. The following year, 1978, he was on holiday in London, but the police, obviously knowing his reputation, regarded him as a potential bomber and arrested him.

He was again interrogated over a period of several days during exhausting seven-hour bouts of questioning, and was deported. Before deportation, he was solemnly warned that he could never again visit the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man or the United Kingdom, and was then sent back to the Six Counties of Ireland, which were at war over the proposition that they should be regarded as part of the United Kingdom. The policemen, when reading his deportation order, obviously considered, from the solemnity with which he pronounced the sentence, that the worst part of the decision lay in the fact that McGeough would "never be eligible to join the British Army"!" Pamela Somers (talk) 02:06, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for leaving that sitting for a month, I kept meaning to do it. I have now made an addition based on this conversation. You can see the changes at this link. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments on the judiciary[edit]

My edit at 12.52 on 10 June 2018 was deleted (without any comment on the talk page) at 12.59 on 10 June 2018 with a reference to Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Due_and_undue_weight. That page is about minority viewpoints on issues where there is a dispute about facts. In this case there does not appear to be any dispute that the subject made the statements referred to - indeed the source provides a link to the interview where the statements were made. I therefore propose to reinstate my edit referred to above.

I will delay doing so for a reasonable period, to enable User:DagosNavy or anyone who wishes to do so to comment here. If no-one does so, and as a result I restore the edit, I invite anyone who disagrees with it to state their views here and allow a similar period before removing it. Alekksandr (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alekksandr, I have just restored your edit. I had removed the section on the wrong basis that the statement fall under the scope of WP:UNDUE. Reading your comment, however, I found that your point of view is right; since the statement is not disputed by reliable sources, then the section should stand in the article. I have used the same rationale in a number of disscusions in the past. My concerns about neutrality, however, continue. "The News Letter" alignement with Unionism makes it a partisan source, so at least a proper inline attribution is needed. I also think we should merge the section into "Arrest and conviction", to avoid giving excessive weight within the article to a biased source. Best regards.Darius (talk) 16:12, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this. I note that Irishlegal.com - which as stated in its 'about' page is a 'daily news service for lawyers in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland' reports that Mr McAlinden had made his statement in a letter to the News Letter. I would be happy to use this article as the source, rather than the News Letter, if that would allay your concerns? If Irishlegal.com counts as an unbiased source, then I suggest that the material should remain in a separate section - on the basis that a 2016 attempt to intimidate (to use Mr McAlinden's phrase) is not related to a conviction for an attempted murder in 1981. Presumably the same issue of partisanship/bias would arise if e.g. the Irish News published an article (in respect of which the factual content was undisputed) about a Loyalist paramilitary?Alekksandr (talk) 21:33, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]