Talk:Diwan

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Etymology[edit]

All listed terms seem to be of one common Middle Eastern origin, which would require an article going beyond a DAB and dealing with the origin and rich ramification of meanings spreading over at least two continents, Asia and Europe.

The three main etymology sections are at Divan, Diwan (poetry) and Dewan, along with the Wiktionary entries (diwan and divan). They all seem to indicate an evolution from
Sumerian (dub, clay tablet) ->
Persian ->

-> Arabic

-> Turkish

with further developments in the languages indebted to the Turco-Persian culture, throughout Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent.

The three main etymology sections can be consolidated and unified into an article, which could then be linked to all the other relevant articles, each adding what's specific to its own particular derived meaning. This would help with rising the quality of the presented etymology. As of now for instance, the Divan#Etymology section, unlike that at Diwan (poetry) and Dewan, does not present the Arabic word as derived from the Persian, and indicates that at least some European derivates stem directly from Arabic, while it seems quite probable to me that Europeans got several, if not all of them, via their contact with Ottoman Turkish. Maybe there are different opinions among linguists, but maybe not. The evolution and spread of terms can be a good reflection of the historical interaction between cultures, with much larger bearing on intercultural connections, so it's more than just linguistic pedantry. Arminden (talk) 11:21, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]