Talk:Bhagavad Gita

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Bhagavad Gita

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Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • GAN review not found

Result: delisted Although the nomination for re-assessment is rather vague, I found a number of long outstanding citation needed tags and dead links. The prose could certainly do with a brush up and the organization of the article is poor. I would suggest a thorough clean up, followed by a peer review before renominating at WP:GAN. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I request the re-assessment of the article bhagavad gita, because :

• The article does not provide relevant information in the relevant section.
• The introductory paragraph sounds awkward,as it contains referenced appraisal by some other persons, which is not the way to introduce a major book of a major religion of the world and may not represent a worldwide view of the topic.
• The article, related to a major religious book is relatively less informative and neutral than the other major religious books of the world , like quran,bible or guru granth sahib.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bineetojha (talk • contribs) 09:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)‎
  • Comment: I see no evidence that primary editors or projects have been informed, which you should do. I fixed the article talk page as the GAR template had not been transcluded. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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Spelling is incorrect: भगवद् गीता (bad grammar)

People who haven't learnt संस्कृत वव्याकरणम् (Sanskrit grammar) well enough do this mistake quite often. In English, while one may write as "Bhagavad Gita", while writing in Sanskrit (Devanagari script), one must either write as भगवत् गीता or as भगवद्गीता

The व्यंजन संधि (Vyanjana Sandhi) in Sanskrit works like these:

• जगत् + ईश = जगदीश (see how letter त becomes द)
• भगवत् + भक्ति = भगवद्भक्ति (see how letter त becomes द)

The term भगवद् written independently is incorrect.

Reversion

Joshua Jonathan, you reverted this edit by me [#1]. Can you let me know if we can quote the Bhagavad Geeta for the verses in it or not?-Haani40 (talk) 08:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

No, not in this way. You are basically interpreting a WP:PRIMARY text; that's WP:OR. Regarding my second revert diff [#2], you are using sources which are not WP:RS, write in a non-encyclopedic tone, and break the flow of the text. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

At WP:PRIMARY, it says,

A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a musician may cite discographies and track listings published by the record label, and an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source.

Can you write out a sentence with a reliable source for one of the verses from the Bhagavad Geeta? I will do the rest.-Haani40 (talk) 08:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

What's wrong with this edit?[#2A]-Haani40 (talk) 10:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

....and what's wrong with this? [#2B]-Haani40 (talk) 10:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

No, I can't. You just shouldn't give your own interpretation of the Gita here. And if you don't understand that, you shouldn't be editing Wikipedia. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

So, if I use a secondary source, say a commentary on a verse, can it mention the verse or should it not mention the verse it interprets?-Haani40 (talk) 11:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

#2A

diff - "It is described as an open discussion between Arjuna and God" - duplicates

The Bhagavad Gita is set in a narrative framework of dialogue between the Pandava prince Arjuna and his charioteer guide Krishna, an avatar of Vishnu.

Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

So, to that sentence, can I just add, "<ref name="UUA.org 2024 g525">{{cite web | title=Handout 2: Excerpts from The Bhagavad Gita | website=UUA.org | date=2024-03-07 | url=https://www.uua.org/re/tapestry/youth/bridges/workshop4/handout2 | access-date=2024-04-01}}</ref>" as a citation/reference?-Haani40 (talk) 11:24, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Why would you want to do that? A text from an unknown auther, hosted at a website of the Unitarian Universalists, is not exactly what we call WP:RS. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

#2B

diff - presenting mythology as historical facts, using non-WP:RS. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Need a permanent protection for this page to prevent vandalism

Bhagavad Gita is one of the main scripture in world and so many cults try to perspective edits by jealous specially shaivism, so plz protect this account permanently . 2409:4071:4DBD:495E:E592:8C16:2012:76FA (talk) 10:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Lead paragraph needs to include Notable aspects

As per WP:LEAD guidelines, the first paragraph needs to include the notable aspects.

::The article should begin .. answering two questions for the nonspecialist reader: "What (or who) is the subject?" and "Why is this subject notable?

Therefore, Need to include "The Bhagavad Gita is a prominent and influential Hindu scripture."

https://books.google.com/books?id=NKHKAgAAQBAJ |title=Interpretations of the Bhagavad-Gita and Images of the Hindu Tradition: The Song of the Lord |publisher=Taylor & Francis |year=2014 |isbn=978-1-134-27891-6 |pages=viii–ix

url=https://books.google.com/books?id=5kl0DYIjUPgC |title=The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Hinduism, Volume 1 |publisher=The Rosen Publishing Group, Inc |year=2001 |isbn=978-0-8239-3179-8 |page=93

While Hinduism is known for its diversity and the synthesis derived from it, the Bhagavad Gita holds a unique pan-Hindu influence.J.A.B. van Buitenen 2013, pp. 6–7, Quote: "Its [Bhagavadgita's] importance as a religious text is demonstrated by its uniquely pan-Hindu influence".

An undue detail: It forms chapters 23–40 of book 6 of the Mahabharata, called the Bhishma Parva, and can be moved to the last paragraph of the Lead.

Notable aspects that need to be included due to multiple cited sources in the article

The Bhagavad Gita is a prominent and influential Hindu scripture. Bhagavad Gita holds a unique pan-Hindu influence.

Scholars note that "if there is any one text that comes near to embodying the totality of what it is to be a Hindu, it would be the Bhagavad Gita."

The Bhagawad Gita summarizes key Hindu concepts of self (Atman) and supreme self (Brahman) [note 1] while also synthesizing the ideas of moral duties (Dharma), devotion (Bhakti), and spiritual liberation (Moksha) [6][7].

RogerYg (talk) 03:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)