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When is the noun bandy usel in plural?[edit]

According to Collins dictionary, there is a plural form of the word ’bandy’ as a noun. It is bandies. While this seems and sounds logical as a plural form of this word, I find it hard to understand when it should be usel for the sport. I think the name of à sport is usually uncountable and only used in singular form. Am I right?

This is what the dictionary writes:[1]

NOUN

Word forms: plural -dies

8. an early form of hockey, often played on ice

9. a stick, curved at one end, used in the game of bandy

10. an old form of tennis

Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.32.242.138 (talk) 20:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Definition of 'bandy'
I think a sports name is never used in plural. It is a sort of a un-countable sort of word. So bandies is never used for the sport but bandy can well also mean other thi gs in english, can it not?
///me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.199.144.201 (talk) 14:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
May I humbly suggest that you put this question up at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language in stead? I just have a feeling you might get more and better answers to a question like this there, while the talk page for the article on bandy is really more intended to be a place to discuss Wikipedia’s article on bandy, not the grammar or other linguistic questions about the word bandy. Ove Raul (talk) 22:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think definition 9, "a stick, curved at one end, used in the game of bandy", would have the plural "bandies". Example: "the players all picked up their bandies before beginning the game". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 20:10, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anything more about fans and supporters?[edit]

There is really nothing written about supporter culture in this article. Can I find more about it somewhere else at Wikipædia? Most sports have a dedicated fan base and supporter rivalries between teams. 2A00:801:76C:AD53:0:0:30BC:201F (talk) 05:58, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It would be interesting to cover this subject at least somewhat generally. It is off course a subject which has a direct connection to the sport itself. There should be some newspaper or magazine articles or similar relating to this subject, which could be given as references for the sources given. I suppose something like that would be wanted or perhaps even a requirement, to write about it here.
Bandyman Desire (talk) 19:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bandy is the sport of royalty and literary greats[edit]

content of bandy, which should be better reflected in the text.

(Redacted)

83.187.166.89 (talk) 06:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The redacted text was a direct copy and paste of all the text at https://www.bandyinolympics.com/history. As 3000 words of copyrighted text I've removed it from this talk page, but your general point is noted. --Belbury (talk) 07:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is an interesting text, but poorly written (or perhaps machine translated to English). However, there are facts in it which very well could fit in a generalarticle about bandy.
Obviously, bandy was a popular passtime for many royal families around the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th Centuries. I think this should be mentined in Wikipedia’s bandy article, although I am not sure how it should be written. It may not be relevant to the story of bandy rules and bandy games, but it shows how the interest in the sport had a place in the highest parts of society beck then. The text then refers to a picture which I do not find where it is said to be, but further down the page. Obviously prince William of the United Kingdom and his wife princess Catherine (Kate) have played bandy, at least at some event.
Further, the text claims that William Shakespeare refers to bandy in his masterpieces. I wonder which if his plays refer to bandy. I am no expert in Shakespeare or his works. Maybe someone else could ekaborate on this. I am doubtful, as bandy does not seem to be that old. When the text cover ancient history of bandy further down the page, it is not really about bandy but about predecessors of the sport, as bandy really was not formulated as a sport with fixed rules until the late Nineteenth Century, as far as I understand. Can you really call it bandy before that?
The text has some interesting points on the name of the sport, but I think that tpic is already covered on Wikipedia.
The part about how bandy ought to be taken up as an Olympic sport is interesting, but might be too ’political’ to take up here on Wikipedia. The subject is already discussed a bit in the Wikipedia article and need not be addressed much more.
Dina Beck (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The interest for bandy among royalty is not only a thing of the past. Even if I don't think they play it nowadays, the King of Sweden Carl XVI Gustaf has shown an interest in bandy and has for example inaugurated some of the bandy world championships when they have been arranged and held in Sweden. His son-in-law Prince Daniel, husband of Crown Princess Victoria, has also been going to bandy and has at least once been the person who handed over the trophy to the newly crowned Swedish Bandy Champions at least once.
As for the great William Shakespeare, I don't believe in the claim that he would have written about bandy in any of his pieces. It is totally unreasonable to think that could be true, since, as already said, he and his dramas predates bandy by at least some hundred years. If there is anything like bandy in any of Shakespeare's plays, I would think it would be some other form of sport or passtime, some which is older. It might be somewhat resembling bandy, but it wouldn't be bandy. That's my take on this question.
Bandyman Desire (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bandy is the fastest team sport[edit]

Bandy is considered the fasteat played team sport in the world because the skaters move so swiftly over the ice. I think this fact is more than just a matter of curiosity and ought to be written out in the article, preferrably in the beginning where the sport is described. 2A00:801:787:6A57:0:0:481C:B011 (talk) 14:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is a good idea to have this fact in the article, but I suppose it would have to be sourced someway. There are reference literature on the subject of course, but I have none at hand at the moment, here where I am right now. Do you have any yourself? Maybe someone else has some? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bandyman Desire (talk • contribs) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a study made on the velocity of bandy players:
What is the speed of a bandy player? What speeds do they reach on the playing surface? As they are playing the games on ice with skates on their feet, I get that they are faster than someone running on grass or something like that, but as a start for this question to be answered, you need to state the speed. What is the average speed for a player on the bandy rink in KM/H? /2A00:801:7A0:A579:0:0:6888:7C04 (talk) 05:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1913 inter-European tournament[edit]

Maybe people interested in bandy are interesting in this subject too, since it deals with the early history of bandy. If you look at Talk:1913 European Bandy Championships, some user has suggested rather extensive changes to the page, since it is claimed that it was not a tournament between national teams but between club teams from different European countries, and that it was not held in Davos but in St. Moritz. I don't know why the changes are not made to the page, but maybe the user wants it to be discussed first. Please add your thought on the matter at that page. Bandyman Desire (talk) 20:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Should it be merged with the article on the 1913 LIHG Championship? This seems to have been suggested at that talk page, but not led to any conclusive decission.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 16:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggested a merge now, I hope I did it the right way so that it is accknowledged properly and seen by people who might want to have a say in the matter. I suppose the discussion about it should be held at that talk page.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 16:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


The discussion about a possible merge is interesting. You might want to take part in it, since it also will affect this article and other articles on bandy history.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 09:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overview of international competitions[edit]

Under the headline "Overview of international competitions" in the article is a table showing the World Championships and the World Cups, but it doesn't show any of the other inernational competitions. How come? Shouldn't the European Cup be there too, for instance, even if it hasn't been played for years? There has also been bandy tournaments in some multi-sport events and they could also be noted there, I think. 2A00:801:787:6A57:0:0:481C:B011 (talk) 14:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no bandy played at the Olympics, is there? So only other competitions.
What multi-sport events have had bandy tournaments as parts of the events?  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 15:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should 'short bandy' have its own article?[edit]

So a relatively new developed version of bandy played at small rinks just like rink bandy, is the form called 'short bandy'. It seems to have been created in Czechia and is supposed to be better for preparing for bandy played at regular sized bandy rinks. Should it have its own article or should it be better described in this article or in the article on rink bandy? Bandyman Desire (talk) 03:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think so. It would be interesting to learn more about it.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 10:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bandy and field hockey[edit]

There are some sections of text in this article about bandy´s relationship to association football (also known as soccer) and its relationship to ice hockey, but it is also related to field hockey. Field hockey is a form of hockey just like bandy is, and bandy and field hockey both have eleven man teams, bent sticks and balls and are played at the approximately same size of field or rink, just like association football too by the way.

There is reason to believe that not only association football with its English roots but also field hockey with its roots in the same country have given much inspiration to bandy and the rules for this game in its early days in the late 19th Century, when many modern sports were developed, while ice hockey on the other hand seems to be somewhat younger as a sport and also has its origin in Canada, not in England, but still there were already a section about bandy and ice hockey. There is reason to elaborate on this, but I cannot really do it myself since I am no expert on sports history in general nor on theses sports in particular. Who would be able to write something about it? Are there some sources you could recommend which could be used to extend the section about this?  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


How rude. How rude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Droöoooo (talk • contribs) 16:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are some texts about the similarity of Bandy and Field Hockey you can find online if you look for it. I don't know if these sources are good enough for an encyclopedic article on the subject, but they are qutie interesting (at least in my opinion):
Do what you want with these links. I don't know how to incorporate their meanings in this Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.104.137.42 (talk) 17:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nice. Thank you. I will read these linked articles when I have the time.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 08:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did the 1913 European Bandy Championships ever happen?[edit]

It has been claimed at Talk:1913 European Bandy Championships that the 1913 European Bandy Championships never happened and that the article should be 'redirected' to some other page (or maybe even deleted, if I correctly understand the abbreviation used in the discussion). It is an interesting discussion and the outcome would affect this page too, since the 1913 European Bandy Championships is mentioned in the text on the history of bandy as what could have been some pivotal event or so, so here I write a note about it for others to see. Maybe more people could have some valuable input in the matter?  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 15:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I don't know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Droöoooo (talk • contribs) 16:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if this European championship tournament never happened but just may be a myth (according to one cointributor at Talk:1913 European Bandy Championships, the first known source ever mentioning the tournament at all was some book in the 1970s, i.e. more than half a century after the alledged event would have taken place) there is reason to have some words about it written somewhere, because if it is a myth, it is still a persistent one since the article has been on Wikipedia for years, there are other sources about it too and the International Bandy Federation (Federation of International Bandy, FIB) arranged a centennary jubilee event around it back in 2014. Now I wonder how the text about this should be written and formulated and in what article it should be published. I am still not that familiar with the workings of Wikipedia to really have my own view on this more than that I think there should be some text about it somewhere in the encyclopedia. I would appreciate input from others on the subject.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 10:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


There will have to be changes made to this article and other articles on the history of bandy. We could discuss how this should be described in this article here.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 09:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Signing a comment, how?[edit]

Should I sign a comment? How do I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Droöoooo (talk • contribs) 16:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
do ~~ ~ without the space ModdiWX (message me!) 16:51, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


How do I sign a comment? Should I sign a comment?

The 1913 European Championships likely never happened and this is now reflected in this article[edit]

I have rewritten the article on the 1913 European Bandy Championships as well as the section in this article about it, reflecting that the competition likely never happened but is more of a myth or perhaps a factoid. Still, it is still worth having some information about it here, as it actually did serve as inspiration for a centennary celebration tournament in 2014, the Four nation bandy tournament in 2014! If you have any opinions on what I have written, please feel free to tell me here. I suppose some other articles about bandy history also need to be updated.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 12:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is fine. Good to have this sorted out. The article on the mythical 1913 tournament could be better sourced, even if there is of course a reason for the lack ofsources as it seem to have never happened, but more sources describing the lack of contemporary sources would be good to have. Now there is only a link to one Russian Internet page and personally, I find ita bit hard to know how credible one can consider that page to be. Pepparkaksgubbe (talk) 03:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Finding sources describing the lack of sources that indicates that some alleged historical event never happened is always a bit difficult. Fact-checking things like this is a challange for credible sources. Better sources are always welcome. Hopefully, there are more which could be added.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 08:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A quick search on the Internet finds no sources of clear credibility. Most seem to refer to eachother or just stating it as if it was a fact, rather than showing any contemporary sources from 1913. Maybe there is some if you look further, but I think you'd have to go through old printed sources if you are to find anything from back in the day when this is supposed to have happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.104.137.42 (talk) 17:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. I'm sorry, I suppose I should have signed my comments. Even if I am here anonymously and just wanted to share some sourcew which I don't even know if they are credible enough or interesting enough for this encyclopedia project, which seems to be directed towards readers of the general public rather than the academics studying a subject or fans interested in the subject. So here goes...: 185.104.137.42 (talk) 18:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to merge two articles is now formally closed[edit]

The suggestion to merge the articles 1913 LIHG Championship and 1913 European Bandy Championships is now formally closed. The articles will not be merged, but there will be a statement in the article on the 1913 European Bandy Championships that this tournament likely never happened and the information about it probably is confused with actual information about the 1913 LIHG Championship. I write about this here because it has been discussed here, but if anyone still wants to add to the discussion about it, I think it might be better to it at talk:1913 European Bandy Championships. I think discussions of this kind sometimes never ends but will be taken up again and again.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 08:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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