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FAC mentoring: first-time nominators

A voluntary mentoring scheme, designed to help first-time FAC nominators through the process and to improve their chances of a successful outcome, is now in action. Click here for further details. Experienced FAC editors, with five or more "stars" behind them, are invited to consider adding their names to the list of possible mentors, also found in the link. Brianboulton (talk) 10:17, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

FAC source reviews

For advice on conducting source reviews, see Wikipedia:Guidance on source reviewing at FAC.

Requesting a mentor for first time nominator

Hello, I'm Pbritti! I primarily create content related to Christian liturgical and American architectural subjects, with six GAs in those areas. I've been interested in the FAC process for a long time but have never felt comfortable participating when I still sometimes feel like a novice regarding the higher-level considerations. After much work, consultation, and further self-assessment, I finally feel ready to nominate an article: Free and Candid Disquisitions, on a mid-18th-century religious pamphlet by John Jones that had a substantial impact on Anglican and Unitarian worship practices. The article passed as a GA earlier this year and underwent a low-turnout PR more recently. Given my inexperience, I am extending a request for a mentor.

Some considerations for a possible mentor:

• I live in the Eastern Time Zone of the United States (presently UTC−04:00)
• My work schedule causes peaks and valleys in activity on-Wiki but I edit daily. For the next couple months, I'll be fairly available with four-day weekends
• I have access to the Wikipedia Discord but would prefer to communicate either on-Wiki or via email
• I'm more than willing to offer my help in any tedious project on-Wiki as compensation for mentorship (maybe you need someone who can swap umlauts for diaereses across a couple hundred articles?)

If you're interested or wish for me to offer further details regarding myself and my proposed FAC, please reply here or on my talk page. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

New statistics tool to get information about an editor's GA history

I mentioned this at WT:GAN, but there may be editors here who would be interested who don't watch that page: I've created a GA statistics page that takes an editor's name as input and returns some summary information about their interactions with GA. It shows all their nominations and reviews, and gives a summary of their statistics -- number promoted, number that are still GAs, and the review-to-GA ratio. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

A useful summary! Thank you. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 11:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Very handy. Thanks Mike. Although "Promoted GA nominations: 108; Promoted GA nominations that are still GAs: 50" caused me to panic before I realised that it was because 58 GANs had been promoted to FA, and so - technically - they ceased to be GAs. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm trying to work out my Promoted GA nominations: 17 but Promoted GA nominations that are still GAs: 37 ... followed by a lit of 19! - SchroCat (talk) 08:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

It was a combination of two things. One was a bug -- if a nominator put spaces around their username, as happened here for example, the tool was not removing them, so that nomination was credited to ' Schrodinger's cat is alive' with a leading space. That's now fixed, so asking the tool for GAs for that old user name will now correctly report those old GAs. The "still GAs" number is maintained by SDZeroBot, which automatically tracks username changes -- that's why it shows 37 for "SchroCat". I decided not to automatically connect old usernames to new ones because not everyone wants their old usernames advertised, but I can do so on request. I'm going to assume in your case you do want to connect them since the signature was "SchroCat" even back then, so I've added your names to the name-change list. You should now see the correct results -- let me know if anything still looks wrong. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Ah - that looks much more like it. Thanks Mike! - SchroCat (talk) 11:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Nice work, and thanks to Mike for fixing the GAN bot's count of successful nominations for those of us with apostrophes. Cheers — Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

This GA statistics page sounds very useful! By consolidating the interactive summary information of editors on one page, it provides a convenient way to understand the contribution and level of participation of each editor. This not only helps to improve transparency, but also encourages more participation and interaction. Hhhlx (talk) 04:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this, Mike! I've been hoping for something that would track my articles promoted past GA. That said, there a few oddities that might cause issues for somebody else. My own tally of my GAs is 924, including the one promoted today, while your bot says 941, not including the one promoted today. Obviously I haven't tried to reconcile them yet, but it's entirely possible that I might have missed a few over the years. And I'm very suspicious that my ratio of reviews to noms shows as exactly 1:1. The reviews and noms for this year seem to be complete, for what it's worth. The first two noms on my list, Stalingrad-class battlecruiser and Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleship, don't show as promoted because the articles were renamed after the review. Not sure exactly what needs to be done to fix that.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 06:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

The problem with those two was that the GA subpages hadn't been moved to follow the parent page move. I've now done that and updated the database so those two should be OK now; there are probably some others like that around. There's now a bot that cleans up after incomplete moves of subpages so those issues should gradually go away. I'm going to make a change to the tool to see if I can speed it up by checking the GA and FA pages for the name of the article, rather than checking each article page for the GA or FA template; that might run into a different problem in that it won't detect that an article is a GA if those pages still list it under the old name. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I just tried that change and reverted it; it was unreliable because so many GAs are still in the GA pages under names that are now redirects. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike. I will note that the bot has now caught my one failed nom.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Spent a couple of minutes trying to figure out why my tally doesn't match the bot's and noticed that it's not counting at least some of my noms on which I collaborated with other people. Talk:HMS Ramillies (07)/GA1 is one; maybe it matters who's listed first, I dunno.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Currently GA stats don't allow conomination credits -- it could probably be done but for now the nominator is assumed to be either the editor who adds the nomination or the editor whose name appears in the nomination template. This is the relevant edit, so Parsecboy is listed as the nominator. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)=

I was wondering if that was the reason, but now I'm even more perplexed about the difference between the tallies as I've done a lot of collaboration, although I was often the nominator.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I'll follow up on your talk page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Template usage

Is it ok to use {{cot}}/{{cob}} in FAC discussions for reasons other than to hide offtopic discussions? I’d like to use them to hide lengthy threads that have been resolved. YBG (talk) 14:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

PS, is it really true that there are only four FAC coordinators? My hats off to y'all for performing this important service!!!! YBG (talk) 14:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Speaking just for myself, I would rather you didn't. It would make life slightly more difficult for me every time I look at the nom to consider if it is ready for closure.

It is, an all-time high I think, and thank you. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: My idea would be to put cot/cob only around those things I consider resolved, and clearly mark them as so. I thought this would make it easier, not harder, for you to tell if it is ready for closure. YBG (talk) 04:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

The role of the cords isn’t vote-counting the number of supports, but weighing the strength of the review. Capping means they have to uncap everything to be able to read it through and make a judgement. - SchroCat (talk) 04:30, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, @Gog the Mild/@SchroCat so if I understand correctly, the coordinators still want to read the full discussion about areas in which I at one time found fault but have now been modified to the point that I no longer find fault. YBG (talk) 12:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

They may wish to, and having to open cots to decide adds marginally to their workload. They are not in any way forbidden and you are free to use them if you wish. If a week or two later you feel your ears burning, it is probably a coordinator closing the nomination. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

• Per the instructions, many templates are deprecated from use at FAC, but For technical reasons, templates that are acceptable are {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}}. Perhaps somewhere else where community expectations have out stripped our decades-old instructions. ——Serial Number 54129 10:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

  The instructions are there partly to keep the page size of WP:FAC under control but also for the archives because the reviews (for reasons I've never really understood) are all transcluded in the archives. So it's not just an arbitrary rule from years ago that doesn't reflect current practice. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

  @HJ Mitchell: Don't even try and fucking patronise me HJM. I know perfectly well why the limits are there, and either you deliberately misunderstand me in order to make a different point, or you just do not understand. You will at least apologise for insinuating that I have not read the instructions I have just cited: slow down the page load time, and complex templates can lead to errors in the FAC archives. This a distinct point to that made by the OP. Firstly is the fact that, per the instructions, templates are avoided because speed, etc. Secondly—the ease with which a co-ord should be able to read a candidature—is obviously a different reason. My point, at the end of the day, is that as it stands, the OP would be within his rights to use {{cob}} etc because it is one of the few explicitly exempted from the disallowed templates (i.e., cot and cob are allowed). All I am saying is that if we want to forbid closing/hatting any sections, then go ahead, but ensure that the rule allows it. Which it does not at the moment. This would not be a new codification. It would be expanding upon an extant codification. And, incidentally, I seem to remember moving discussions to the talk page is deemed acceptable, but I fail to see why having to click the [show] is more onerous on a co-ord than opening a new page. Cheers, ——Serial Number 54129 13:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

  I agree that WP:PEIS is probably a good rationale to keep the rule around. Sohom (talk) 14:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

  {{cob}} and {{cot}} have no noticeable effect on the PEIS; that's why they are exempted. They are alternatives to {{collapse}} which requires all the collapsed text to be within the template, which can have a very significant effect on the PEIS. That's not to comment on whether they should be used to collapse anything other than offtopic comments, just to say that PEIS is not a reason to disallow it. SN, I didn't think Harry was being patronizing; I might well have posted the same comment that he did and I wouldn't have intended to patronize you if I had done so. I don't think he deserved the response you gave him. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

  Yell, fucking fuck it then, since you vouch him. Struck, with apologies to HJM for my unnecessary brusqueness. For the record, replying to a point that hasn't been made while appearing to ignore one that has, can certainly lead—albeit mistakenly—to a sense of being gaslit. And gas is very good at lighting blue touch paper. Cheers! ——Serial Number 54129 17:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

  Wasn't expecting such a hostile response! Not the swearing, swear all you fucking like. But I'm not the template cabal telling you what you can or can't do with your templates! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think {{cot}} and {{cot}} should be disallowed for PEIS. But having the general "keep template use to a minimum" rule in it's current form makes sense since PEIS exists. Sohom (talk) 15:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

The selected article candidate page on Wikipedia is a very interesting place to showcase potential selected articles nominated by editors. Browsing this page provides readers with an opportunity to discover high-quality knowledge. Hhhlx (talk) 04:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

• As a reviewer, I prefer everything to be easy to see. For one thing it stops the same points being re-raised. Johnbod (talk) 14:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

FAC reviewing statistics and nominator reviewing table for April 2024

Here are the FAC reviewing statistics for April 2024. The tables below include all reviews for FACS that were either archived or promoted last month, so the reviews included are spread over the last two or three months. A review posted last month is not included if the FAC was still open at the end of the month. The facstats tool has been updated with this data.

Reviewers for April 2024

# reviews Type of review Reviewer Content Source Image Accessibility Jo-Jo Eumerus 2 12 5 Nikkimaria 9 SchroCat 5 FunkMonk 5 Mike Christie 4 1 Jens Lallensack 5 Buidhe 3 1 ChrisTheDude 4 Hog Farm 3 UndercoverClassicist 3 Kusma 3 Wehwalt 3 AirshipJungleman29 2 1 Draken Bowser 2 1 Gog the Mild 2 1 Dudley Miles 2 David Fuchs 1 1 Eem dik doun in toene 2 PSA 2 Tim riley 2 AryKun 1 1 PCN02WPS 2 Shapeyness 1 1 Serial Number 54129 2 Pseud 14 2 Chompy Ace 1 SafariScribe 1 Magiciandude 1 Premeditated Chaos 1 Patrick Welsh 1 750h+ 1 The Knight Watch 1 Amakuru 1 Jenhawk777 1 Grungaloo 1 TompaDompa 1 Cukie Gherkin 1 MaranoFan 1 Mujinga 1 CactiStaccingCrane 1 Daniel Case 1 Sammi Brie 1 The Morrison Man 1 Femke 1 Sohom Datta 1 Aa77zz 1 Heartfox 1 SnowFire 1 Dylan620 1 Biogeographist 1 SporkBot 1 SusunW 1 Wolverine XI 1 Kablammo 1 MyCatIsAChonk 1 Volcanoguy 1 HurricaneHiggins 1 Borsoka 1 Matarisvan 1 RecycledPixels 1 Remsense 1 Nick-D 1 100cellsman 1 SandyGeorgia 1 ZooBlazer 1 Elli 1 Kerbyki 1 Rodney Baggins 1 Aza24 1 Srnec 1 Graham Beards 1 Totals 104 20 19 0

Supports and opposes for April 2024

# declarations Declaration Editor Support Oppose converted to support Struck oppose Struck support Oppose None Total Jo-Jo Eumerus 19 19 Nikkimaria 9 9 SchroCat 4 1 5 Jens Lallensack 4 1 5 FunkMonk 2 3 5 Mike Christie 3 1 1 5 Buidhe 1 3 4 ChrisTheDude 4 4 AirshipJungleman29 1 1 1 3 UndercoverClassicist 1 2 3 Kusma 2 1 3 Draken Bowser 1 1 1 3 Hog Farm 2 1 3 Wehwalt 2 1 3 Gog the Mild 1 1 1 3 Dudley Miles 2 2 PSA 1 1 2 Pseud 14 2 2 David Fuchs 1 1 2 Tim riley 2 2 Eem dik doun in toene 2 2 AryKun 1 1 2 PCN02WPS 2 2 Serial Number 54129 2 2 Shapeyness 2 2 Grungaloo 1 1 Jenhawk777 1 1 MyCatIsAChonk 1 1 SnowFire 1 1 Chompy Ace 1 1 SandyGeorgia 1 1 Sammi Brie 1 1 ZooBlazer 1 1 Daniel Case 1 1 HurricaneHiggins 1 1 Volcanoguy 1 1 Dylan620 1 1 Magiciandude 1 1 Biogeographist 1 1 SafariScribe 1 1 Elli 1 1 The Morrison Man 1 1 Matarisvan 1 1 Borsoka 1 1 TompaDompa 1 1 Premeditated Chaos 1 1 SporkBot 1 1 Femke 1 1 Kerbyki 1 1 Rodney Baggins 1 1 RecycledPixels 1 1 Cukie Gherkin 1 1 MaranoFan 1 1 Wolverine XI 1 1 Patrick Welsh 1 1 SusunW 1 1 Srnec 1 1 Sohom Datta 1 1 Aza24 1 1 Mujinga 1 1 Remsense 1 1 Kablammo 1 1 The Knight Watch 1 1 Amakuru 1 1 750h+ 1 1 Graham Beards 1 1 Heartfox 1 1 Aa77zz 1 1 CactiStaccingCrane 1 1 100cellsman 1 1 Nick-D 1 1 Totals 58 1 1 0 13 70 143

Due to some temporary technical issues I have not generated the rolling 12-month summary I normally add to these reports. I doubt if anyone is too upset by the omission, but it should be back next month. -- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:00, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

FACs needing feedback

If anyone is looking for a nomination to review, there are (currently) four in "FACs needing feedback" - at the top of this page, on the right - which would all benefit from another review. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)