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Discussion for Today[edit]
- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_May_29
May 29[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:Schools in the Garden State Association of Christian Schools[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category. No main page for the group that i could find. Mason (talk) 12:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish summer camps in Michigan[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Triple merge, only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:LGBT non-profit organizations in Canada[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category upmerge for now (probably for ever). non-profit organizations in Canada doesn't exist as a category and neither does LGBT non-profit organizations. Mason (talk) 12:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Île-de-France[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Île-de-France to Category:Military history of Île-de-France
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", but such a category does not yet exist for Île-de-France, so we might as well rename this one. NLeeuw (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping @Marcocapelle: what do you think? NLeeuw (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and re-parent per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Only if all categories in Category:Battles by location in France are renamed; it's misleading to have that category but only include an arbitrary selection of regions. Peter James (talk) 01:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I fully intend to do a follow-up of the remaning children of Category:Battles by location in France, as I am currently doing for Category:Battles by location in Germany. I just picked this one as it also has subcategories, as a probe to confirm recent precedents and to prepare for that follow-up to be relatively uncontroversial and broadly supported. NLeeuw (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: do you have any objections to me relisting this discussion and tagging the rest of the Category:Battles by location in France tree? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster, No, you'd be doing a great favour, merci monsieur! NLeeuw (talk) 12:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: do you have any objections to me relisting this discussion and tagging the rest of the Category:Battles by location in France tree? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I fully intend to do a follow-up of the remaning children of Category:Battles by location in France, as I am currently doing for Category:Battles by location in Germany. I just picked this one as it also has subcategories, as a probe to confirm recent precedents and to prepare for that follow-up to be relatively uncontroversial and broadly supported. NLeeuw (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Battles by location in France and its subcategories.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes to Category:Military history of Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Bourgogne-Franche-Comté to Category:Military history of Bourgogne-Franche-Comté
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Centre-Val de Loire to Category:Military history of Centre-Val de Loire
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Hauts-de-France to Category:Military history of Hauts-de-France
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Nouvelle-Aquitaine to Category:Military history of Nouvelle-Aquitaine
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Occitanie to Category:Military history of Occitania (administrative region)
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Pays de la Loire to Category:Military history of Pays de la Loire
- Propose merging Category:Battles in Corsica to Category:Military history of Corsica
- Propose deleting Category:Battles by location in France
- I'll let Nederlandse Leeuw add a rationale. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale (additional nominees): WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", unless such a category does not yet exist, in which case they are proposed to be renamed to "Military history of X" instead. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany is a closely connected discussion which has already put this into practice.
- (PS: Category:Battles by location in France could be Upmerged to Category:Military history of France by location instead of Deleted for logging purposes, but it doesn't make much difference. Category:Battles by location in Germany is proposed to be merged into Category:Military history of Germany by state, but such a category does not exist for France "by region" yet, so it could better be created than trying to recycle Category:Battles by location in France). NLeeuw (talk) 12:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:New South Wales rugby union team players[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The two are covering the same team and should be merged. Especially as New South Wales rugby union team redirects to the Waratahs. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. This was the same side. Where is the dividing line drawn? If 1995, as I suspect, that is entirely arbitrary, there was Super 10 (rugby union) and Super 6 Rugby which were predecessor competitions run on exactly the same lines as early Super Rugby. All players at the Waratahs now, as pre-95, have a theoretical club side in the Shute Shield they can play for when not selected. Skeene88 (talk) 08:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Perhaps there's a better way, but this was an attempt on my part to differentiate between the professional Super Rugby era iteration of the team and the historical side. This would be in the same way rugby league has Category:New South Wales Rugby League State of Origin players as a subcat of Category:New South Wales rugby league team players (though both are captured in the one article). Maybe an option would be to move Category:New South Wales Waratahs players to Category:New South Wales Waratahs (Super Rugby) players? Jevansen (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This seems to be a split for players who played pre-professionalism for New South Wales, and then who played Super Rugby for the Waratahs. While the naming probably isn't perfect, I see the split as being suitable to differentiate between those who played the the New South Wales region, and those who played for the team. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Its still the same team @Rugbyfan22: because it seems the Waratah's name was adopted in the 1920's. Just because they turned pro, doesn't mean they stopped being the same side. Rugby was not invented in 1995, the lineage is the same and should be maintained. This is essentially a duplicate category. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)- Merge and listify, I imagine readers would be interested in the players of the pre-1995 era so that seems the easiest way (maybe with a minimum appearance threshold if stats are adequately held to facilitate that?); for the Category, does seem to be a continuous entity so only one cat needed. Crowsus (talk) 13:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on listifying?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 11:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Newspapers published in Western Australia by region[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published in Goldfields-Esperance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Goldfields-Esperance region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Pilbara newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Pilbara region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:South West Newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the South West region of Western Australia
- Nominator's rationale: I'm proposing renaming these categories for consistency with the following existing categories:
- Category:Newspapers of the Mid West region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Peel region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- There are also four other regions (the Gascoyne, Great Southern, Kimberley and Perth metropolitan regions) without categories at present, but I plan to work on articles for as many of Australia's newspapers as I can so I expect these categories to be necessary at some point. The only reason for this nomination is for consistency amongst sub-category names, so I wouldn't be opposed to another naming scheme. This one just makes the most sense to me. Adam Black talk • contributions 16:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Western Australia notified of this discussion. Adam Black talk • contributions 21:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I have now created the categories for the remaining three Western Australian regions,
- Category:Newspapers of the Gascoyne region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Great Southern region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Kimberley region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Therefore six of the ten subcategories now follow the same naming scheme. I would also like to add another category to this nomination:
- The rationale is the same as for the original proposal. Adam Black talk • contributions 07:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Adam Black t • c 23:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge all to Category:Newspapers published in Western Australia, apart from Perth there is no reason for diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category. Adam Black t • c 12:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think Perth should be a standout. My point is that only if there would be as much content in every category as in Perth's category it would be worthwhile to diffuse. But that is not the case. The current microcategories are merely a hindrance for easy navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category. Adam Black t • c 12:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- strong objection to most of this discussions assumptions. As creator of the microcategories in discussion here, they were created in the presumption that the project of the National Library and ALIA to support each state library system to improve content about Australian newspapers state by state to help create content for material in Trove would be something that would be expanded upon regularly. The result in other states is highly variable in quality and organisation - in the Western Australian content there was a library employee who edited on WA content, and there was every hope that there would be followed on editing for more newspapers for each region than is being discussed here. The subsequent lack of followon editing is a case throughout wikipedia, this is not an orphan. I believe how sensible Adam might think he is in wanting to qualify the regional title, or Marco in being a category worker extraordinaire (and that should be noted is much appreciated ), the lack of background always astounds me here at CFD. I think that for the purposes of what the original project had intended, will be made much more of a hell of a mess and difficult to navigate the regional distinctions of western australian geographical range, and how it also affects understanding of the original reasons for the regional separation. As a consequence, I strongly object to reducing to one category, as it interferes with a project that would have increased valid items for each subcategory. As for the renaming - it is paradoxical, in view of many australian places have qualifier state names, whereas here there is no need.JarrahTree 01:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 11:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:West London Synagogue[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Only has people who are affiliated with the Synagogue. I guess it would fall under WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest it be renamed as People associated with West London Synagogue. 10:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Headhitter (talk • contribs)
- Delete, it is a case of overcategorization by association, WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination and Marcocapelle. Categorising every individual by the religious buildings they're associated with would be incredibly tedious, as well as needless overcategorisation. Adam Black talk • contribs 14:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving the East Frisians[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Battles involving East Frisia
- Alt proposal 1: renaming Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Military history of East Frisia
- Alt proposal 2: merging Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Battles in Lower Saxony / Category:Military history of Lower Saxony (pending outcome of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany)
- Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy rename.
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- Added alt proposals. Rationales: Alt proposal 1 seeks to save this as an East Frisia military history category, but it has the "Lorraine" problem, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 13#Category:Military history of Lorraine; East Frisia is not an administrative region in our times. Alt proposal 2 seeks to look for the nearest modern-day administrative region that encompasses the territories associated with East Frisia, and that is the state of Lower Saxony. There is currently already a discussion going on about renaming Category:Battles in Lower Saxony to Category:Military history of Lower Saxony (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany), so whatever the outcome of that will be is proposed to be the merge target. @Marcocapelle: FYI. NLeeuw (talk) 10:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 18#Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin. Aldij (talk) 08:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 18#Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin. Aldij (talk) 08:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Politicians by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent
- Nominator's rationale: Follow up of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent and many other similar discussions. Aldij (talk) 08:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wars involving Frisia[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Wars involving Frisia to Category:Wars involving the Frisians
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, in many of these wars there wasn't a clear Frisia state. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Assorted Jelly Beans albums[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Both entries are redirects. The band is also a redirect, and doesn't appear to be notable. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, unhelpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gonanes[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only the parent compound, which is alredy in Category:Steroids. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Chinese-language-only video games[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Chinese-language-only video games to Category:China-exclusive video games
- Nominator's rationale: Some of these titles may be available be it digitally or physically outside of China. But I don't follow that logic. Merge. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This merger makes no sense. Taiwan exists. There have been vidoegames that were made for Taiwan or Hong Kong (pre-1997) that were only in Chinese. If this is properly populated, it should not contain just PRC-exclusive games. -- 65.92.244.237 (talk) 06:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Video games by language[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The reason why I'm deleting these categories are only for video games supported in a single language, and none of these categories are fully-populated either. More importantly many titles only available in a single language can alternatively be found in Category:Region-exclusive video games QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:English-language-only video games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I am deleting this category along with other Video games by language categories, (expect Chinese-language-only video games, which will merge with China-exclusive video games). Reason: Many English-only titles are otherwise located in Category:North-America-exclusive video games QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Migrant to the Ottoman Empire people from British India[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Hindkowan descent to Category:People of Hindkowan descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Kashmiri descent to Category:People of Kashmiri descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Pashtun descent to Category:People of Pashtun descent
- Nominator's rationale: option A: merge, three categories for only one article is not helpful for navigation. Option B:delete, the article is already in Category:Emigrants from British India and Category:Immigrants to the Ottoman Empire which seems to suffice. For a citizen of the Ottoman Empire it is irrelevant which specific Indian ethnicities all of his ancestors had. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Which option?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Same question: which option?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- If nobody else reacts, I would prefer option B over option A. Note again that this is just about a single article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all (thus option B) per nom. --Aldij (talk) 08:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is an institute Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños within Hunter college. This category is too small to be helpful with navigation right now. Mason (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the upper-level category of City University of New York faculty is for a system of colleges and institutes, and the articles in it should be diffused into the appropriate subcats for each of the different colleges within the system in the same way as categories are done for other university systems. Ideally, all of the articles in the CUNY faculty cat would be diffused into subcats of the different colleges or institutes. Additionally, from what I understand, the centro is housed at Hunter College, but is a separate institute within the CUNY system. Semper Fi FieldMarine (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. No objection to diffusion as such, as long as it colleges are big enough to contain lots of articles, but that does not seem to be the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sugar[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Sugar to Category:Sugars
- Nominator's rationale: They are too similar MRTFR55 (talk) 16:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- The names are too similar, ok, but the content isn't. It is clearly a topic category versus a set category. However, Category:Sugars may be renamed e.g. to Category:Types of sugar in order to clarify its purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree they are different categories, and Category:Sugar is consistent with the main article. Peter James (talk) 01:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Sugars. Comments on a potential rename of the plural category would be appreciated!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Japanese-language-only video games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There is only a single article in this category, first things first. Second things second, literally every single video game that's only available in the Japanese language is already located in the pre-existing category Japan-exclusive video games. You see, Japan really only speak Japanese and not much else. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute to Category:Scholars of the Ayodhya dispute
- Nominator's rationale: Alternative name sounds more consistent with other categories in Scholars and academics by subject Mason (talk) 04:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT, this is just one of many topics that the subjects in this category were involved. No objection to listification. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: rename or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: same question: rename or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- Delete per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Meal planning apps[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only a single article inside. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)